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Well for me it's about creating a society with the maximum level of happiness/satisfaction. Therefore when deciding whether to allow abortion, it's a question of the pain of not allowing abortion, or the pain of allowing abortion. As up until the 3rd trimester it is a fairly certain thing that...

- Bshoc I don't think you understand the scientific method. You said... In science it does not require for us to have 'absolute proof' in order to come to a reasonable conclusion. Just because we have no first hand accounts from fetus's of what they feel, does not mean we can not examine other...

You know, Israel/Lebanon are still on that map.

They don't exist for the purpose of supporting one one or the other, however they do by their conclusions support one way. If you don't believe me I'm more than willing to get some examples of real peer-reviewed scientific papers on the matter that explain's the brain development of fetus's...

Well studies suggest that about half of all women whom get abortions were using a contraceptive at the time. While I'm not sure how they come to that conclusion (if they just ask the woman, I think it's possible that they lie), I think it remains that getting pregnant is often something that...

Oh tuff. Point me to a credible scientific study which claims that fetus's feel pain in the early stages of pregnancy where most abortions are carried out. This was the tipping point for me, they do not feel pain until far into the pregnancy. The only reason killing is such a bad thing is...

Well someone that's asleep has been conscious before, they care about their life before they go to sleep. A fetus doesn't care about it's life while it is forming. Whatever, but where's this pain comming from? The fetus's? We've established they don't feel pain. So if the women whom get the...

The babies just don't care, because unlike me they never were alive. Sure, now that I'm alive I care, but a fetus doesn't care and will never care because it's never been alive - That's where the analogy is wrong. I actually did end up being a conscious death-fearing human, the fetus never was...

That's nice. So what sort of system do you imagine? One where all the children are adopted-out or put into some sort of orphanage? Wow. So much misery, pain caused by banning abortion. Doctor's going to gaol, Women going to gaol, babies put up for adoption knowing their mother never wanted...

I hope if you're against women having abortions, you're more than willing to put up the money for a social welfare system to deal with all these unwanted children and provide assistance to their mothers? Can you also please explain how you plan to stop women from aborting their child? It's very...

Nope, I'm pretty sure I didn't miss that. Sure isn't a good reason to believe it does tho eh? Well I don't see it as pessimistic. But I prefer to consider myself with a million dollars as opposed to the pessimistic 'no million dollars' philosophy. As for having to live for, what does belief...

Please prove using any accountable method whatsoever that you have a soul.

that's awsm wobbi.

Oh a poorly composed poem, how interesting.

It's not man vs woman tho I'm afraid. It's men and women vs little boys.

God knows all right? And we have free will? Is it possible for us to do anything that god does not already know we were going to do? If not then I contend we don't have free will as we essentially must do what he forsee's, if we can then he doesn't know everything. I wonder if you christians...

Who knows? Are you going to punish them for this or something? It's now a crime to have an unwanted pregnancy?

Yes. Reality is often harsh. Thankfully we do have alot of strong, mature people in the world that can handle the gruesome reality of life, understand the situation and do what's best.

Fetus's feel no pain, They have no loved ones with fond memories of them (except perhaps the mother), They have no awareness of their own existance and have never known existance. They are unique to all those situations you put up there. In particular I feel the temporary state examples were...

Man, i've got this leprechaun that lives on my shoulder. He tells me aborting babies is fine and that his logic is greater than all.He also says your god scrubs his shoes.