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    John Howard to stay on!

    I want in on this shit. IMO the trump card howard always has is terrorism/racism/immigrants. If the election ever looks to be close, it doesn't take much to get the overwhelming sway of australian opinion on his side and leave labor hanging. The only reason they didn't put them through...
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    Israel attacks Lebanon

    While I agree they do base themselves around civilian populations etc as a strategy, I do not think it is an act of cowardice but instead a clever strategic move.
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    Muslim People in Australia

    That's just silly. a) His mother is a person, muhammed for all satirical purposes is generally being satirised as a historical/religious figure - not as a person. b) The religion uses the figure of muhammed as their sort of public face, it is in many ways like criticising mc donalds by...
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    And you thought UWS wasn't good

    Exactly and while I think basically everyone knows this, I think UWS should focus on it alot more... Their last campaign was 'the practical university' or something along those lines, but for one that's going to create alot of dissonance because alot of the units really AREN'T that practical and...
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    going down there...

    CONFORMIST.
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    And you thought UWS wasn't good

    I think UWS would do real good in its' marketing to put forward real life examples of students that have gone to uws and made the best of their education. I know of UWS students who work for top tier law firms, I've spoken to a few who are in their fifth years, it would be good to get their...
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    The Abortion Debate (continued)

    It doesn't HAVE to challenge arrow's theorem because the theorem is NOT applicable to utilitarianism. You'd know this if you bothered to read. The challenge does not need to be on mathematical grounds because I do not need to disprove arrow's theorem, it stands proven and I accept that, however...
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    Save sex?

    In a world where theism is the norm, yes.
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    The Abortion Debate (continued)

    Hey Bshoc, aren't you that moron that claimed you proved utilitarianism wrong using arrow's theorem then when I got some info on in countering you, you just stopped talking about it? Sup? BTW don't make me quote you on it, but didn't you say you are against abortions for everything but rape...
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    Save sex?

    er... or they're all wrong and therefore all equally (in)valid. I see the common thread of humanity stained over all religions, that's most likely why they're all rather similar. Then I can justify a belief in wizards, it's not that amazing an accomplishment. By deduce you mean 'guess'...
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    The Abortion Debate (continued)

    I am? what were they? These are the main issues as I see them; - Australian study shows 97% of women are fine with their abortion. - The vast majority of the 3% that aren't were forced into it by a partner/their family. - The best research I have found so far overwhelmingly indicates that...
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    The Abortion Debate (continued)

    Ok believe that. To me kami has not shown the examples to be illogical but I can understand somewhat his problems with some of the analogies. I don't necessarily agree with him but at the same time I think our argument was taking away from arguments against people of very different perspectives...
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    The Abortion Debate (continued)

    We often put ourselves at risk for the purpose of extra pleasure.... What is so amazing about that? Ok.
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    The Abortion Debate (continued)

    The analogy goes further if you read it, but if you still have problems, that's cool. I don't want to claim it's perfect to prove that abortion is always right, just that it's a good way of showing how just because you've done something voluntarily doesn't mean you've conceeded your rights...
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    The Abortion Debate (continued)

    It's not the basis of the logic, it's just an analogy to help people understand... with the last one the analogy doesn't work and she acknowledges that. I said fine, forget the violinist example for that part in other words, but you need to go through all those examples to understand the logic...
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    The Abortion Debate (continued)

    ... But that just brings us around full circle. I am challenging it and then asking you to explain why that challenge is not just then you just repeat it?
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    The Abortion Debate (continued)

    Ar ok fine then, sorry about that, but what's your problem there? The violinist example was used to demonstrate the problem with the other two but was not sufficient for the last one. The problem here is that you've created a situation where there is some form of interaction between the person...
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    The Abortion Debate (continued)

    Er yes... I don't disagree except maybe with 'half'. How does it put you at ultimate fault just because you were one of the causes of the result? If the woman didn't leave her window open then there was absolutely no way the burgular could get in, does that mean that by doing so she is...
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    The Abortion Debate (continued)

    There is alot of research into this, look it up, try to go for referenced/peer reviewed articles from respectable journals. Just because you find it hard does not mean that it is an impossible feat or at least that it is not impossible to get a rough approximation by when the characteristics of...
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    The Abortion Debate (continued)

    In the first example the woman has put down her defences to get some fresh air, i.e. she has opened up the window. There was no attempt to prevent him comming in, she didn't want him in but she also wanted the window open and simply failed to put in place precautions - that in no way makes it...
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