Were israel's actions excessive? (1 Viewer)

[Xayma]

The fact that lives are Australian somehow makes them more valuable?
EDIT: 3000 year old landright? Didn't Muhammad and his merry crew slaughter the Jews and drive them out of Israel sometime between 700-1000AD (unsure of exact dates)?

Not all of them. Alot of the women they just married.

 

[Martyno1]

Of course it was over the top. Israel should have talked to the UN to make them put pressure on the Lebanese government and Syria to influence "hezbollah" but instead they took the matters into their own hands.. over 100 civilians dead.

 

[nandayo]

But the UN are soft, they just sit back and shake their heads disapprovingly. They have nothing to offer, and no threats to hand down. They should employ techniques that the WTO has for 'punishing' countries that don't abide by the rules they sign into. Israel is smart enough to know that Hezbollah don't give a fuck about the UN. All they want is a Palestinian Nation, and that's something the UN can't give them.

 

[ZabZu]

Of course it was over the top. Israel should have talked to the UN to make them put pressure on the Lebanese government and Syria to influence "hezbollah" but instead they took the matters into their own hands.. over 100 civilians dead.

The UN passed a resolution before demanding Hezbollah to disarm. Doesn't look like they've followed the order since theyre firing hundreds of missiles on Israel.

 

[sam04u]

No they didn't. The UN has never dealt with Hezbollah about this issue in any way/shape or form. Hezbollah wants Lebanese, Syrian and Palestinian prisoners released. That has been promised from israel since 1988. They always promise to release these prisoners and then, postpone or lie or find another way to put the agreements aside. (Much like what is happening to the sufferers of Asbestos in Sydney).

If anyone was acting fairly it was this 'militia', who tried to gain an upper hand in the agreement to help free their friends and family. However, it back fired on them... now Israel repeatedly drops bombs on their asses instead of making the negotiations which are due.

Only an idiot would support Israel now.... here is what one American idiot said in another forum...

"I support the Israelis jus like us they neva lev a man behind. thats why they are doing all this against the terrorists"...
I shot back exclaiming...
"Why do you think Hezbollah kidnapped those two men anyway?"
He Replied
"Because they think the deserve palestine but their wrong"
I then said
"You're an Idiot... They only Kidnapped those two men so they could initiate discussions to get back their family and relative, yet you only comment Israel who have all the weapons and technology for not leaving a man behind. When Hezbollah do the same thing they're classes as terrorists"...
he then regurgitated some more imperialistic "we are the last super power crap".

I reminded him, that it's not about the Hezbollah, that we did not support them fully, or partially. But, we understand why they act the way they do... we just want all this to stop... Lebanon only wants freedom and nothing more. Israel has deprived Lebanon of freedmon once again. And destroyed her Infrastructure and Tourism. (which has taken decades to rebuild)

 

[ihavenothing]

Why are you defending Israels intentions? We have Australian in Lebanon now. 25,000 to be exact. Also, the Israelis bombed the International Airport, leaving them stranded. They're using this as an exuse to crusade into Lebanon and Destroy it's capability of being a beautiful tourist attraction because of it's cultural adversity.

Israel don't even recognise Australia, they're so arrogant with the US's adamant support. They should know how it feels, this a repeat of the holocaust but this time it's the Arab's blood. Too long have the Israelis played 'victim', this time they're the aggressors occupying the Palestinians land over a 3,000 year old landright. This is the Crusades all over again and it's up to us as bystanders to support one of the sides.

Australian people are and will always be linked to the tiny country of Lebanon (which is filled with controversy). A population of only 3,000,000 being targetted by Israel.

Why do we have to be the Americans Bitch? When AUSTRALIANS are being ENDAGERED by ISRAELIS! (USE LOGIC)

We also have had Israeli-Australians in danger in Israel for years so I don't believe we should have any conflicts of interest. The war is over there not down here so I believe it would be unwise to have any conflicts in interest. Same goes for America who have millions of Lebanese Americans as well as Jews but that is typical Bush and fundamentalist Christian bullshit. It is interesting to know that most Australian Jews vote Labor and American Jews are Democrats.

 

[turtleface]

I hate quoting people cause it sounds cliched and lame, but I remember Andrew Bolt said that its all very well to intend something, but he believed in looking at the effect of actions, and not what was intended, in order to make judgements on issues. Its all very well for Israel to not intend to kill innocent people, but they have. You'd expect Israel to be less murderous given that they supposidly on the "good side" against the "evil terrorists"

You aren't defending Lebanon, you're defending a terrorist group..oh I'm sorry, as you worded it: 'freedom fighters'.

I don't know much about the Hezbollah but it seems everyone who opposes the U.S. or Israel are terrorists. As soon as "terrorists" support the U.S., or help their agenda (like the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, and Al Qaeda when battling the soviets) suddenly they're ok, and the government (e.g. the Taliban) become the terrorists.

 

[ZabZu]

How can you say Israel doesnt release prisoners. The last time Israelis were captured or their remains taken by the Palestinians/Hezbollah, Israel freed scores of Arabs for the return of 1 Israeli businessman and the bodies of 3 dead soldiers. That compromise heavily favoured the Arabs.

It is interesting to know that most Australian Jews vote Labor and American Jews are Democrats.

Most Australian Jews used to vote Labor, now the majority vote Liberal.

 

[nandayo]

I hate quoting people cause it sounds cliched and lame, but I remember Andrew Bolt said that its all very well to intend something, but he believed in looking at the effect of actions, and not what was intended, in order to make judgements on issues. Its all very well for Israel to not intend to kill innocent people, but they have. You'd expect Israel to be less murderous given that they supposidly on the "good side" against the "evil terrorists"


I don't know much about the Hezbollah but it seems everyone who opposes the U.S. or Israel are terrorists. As soon as "terrorists" support the U.S., or help their agenda (like the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, and Al Qaeda when battling the soviets) suddenly they're ok, and the government (e.g. the Taliban) become the terrorists.

That's a really fair point, but Hezbollah uses terrorist tactics to push its political aims, which is slowly pushing Israell out of Sth Lebanon, leaving a nasty trail of blood and bodies behind. They're known in the international community as an innovator in suicide bombing, as well as kidnapping Western citizens and hijacking etc.

They may not be terrorists, but theyuse terrorist tactics. Which is I why have called them 'terrorists'. Mind you, I still hate that word, cause it's so ambiguous, in theory the US Army are terrorists.

But Hezbollah still definitely belong to the terrorist family. But thanks for challenging what would've otherwise been a fairly plain perspective.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

No they didn't. The UN has never dealt with Hezbollah about this issue in any way/shape or form. Hezbollah wants Lebanese, Syrian and Palestinian prisoners released. That has been promised from israel since 1988.

Isreal has released thousand's of prisoners in exchange for very few.

 

[Super Nanny]

We aren't in the region, so we can't really know what's going on, other than what we see in the news. Israel might be really holding back in this instance. We don't know.

 

[nandayo]

Well done Supernanny, that's what I've been trying to say. That is most definitely ASSEPABLE!

On another note, I think a flag tells you what a country is for and against, or what they like..let's just take a look...

Exhibit A http://flagspot.net/images/i/il.gif

Exhibit B http://flagspot.net/images/l/lb}hezb.gif

If Hezbollah wanted peace, why not replace that chunky AK-47 with something that Israel won't have to get all worried about? A dove maybe? Nah..doesn't go with the Yellow..or the suicide bomber headbands.

 

[ihavenothing]

Most Australian Jews used to vote Labor, now the majority vote Liberal.

No way, I would say only a third are Liberal voters, even though the Liberal vote has substantially increased. Look at strong Jewish areas like the electorates of Wentworth and Melbourne Ports. Wentworth which is known to be the blue ribbon seat of Sydney and with a large population of Jews is one of the most marginal for the Coalition.

On the other hand, Melbourne Ports the electorate with the only Jewish MP in the country and the second highest income Labor seat in the country (11th overall) is quite an anomaly in its relatively affluent surrounding. Mind you, if there were no Jews there (20% of the electorate) it would be blue-ribbon Liberal territory.

In my family everyone I know votes Labor. I do know a few Jewish men who are QCs who came from quite humble backgrounds who have Jewish, pretentious Eastern Suburbs wives who vote Liberal just to fit in with high society (they do a pretty good job).

www.aec.gov.au
http://www.mumble.com.au/federal/pend04/seats/melbourne_ports.htm

 

[ZabZu]

Successful Jews are probably more likely to vote Labor than successful non-Jews but i went to high school in St Ives (North Shore in Sydney), in the seat of Bradfield held comfortably by Brendon Nelson. Theres lots of Jews in that area and most of my friends who are Jewish voted Liberal.

 

[Optophobia]

Successful Jews are probably more likely to vote Labor than successful non-Jews but i went to high school in St Ives (North Shore in Sydney), in the seat of Bradfield held comfortably by Brendon Nelson. Theres lots of Jews in that area and most of my friends who are Jewish voted Liberal.

Jews would not vote Labor because of its economic policies..
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Day to day life for those in Lebanon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFlYw9awR5o

 

[ihavenothing]

Successful Jews are probably more likely to vote Labor than successful non-Jews but i went to high school in St Ives (North Shore in Sydney), in the seat of Bradfield held comfortably by Brendon Nelson. Theres lots of Jews in that area and most of my friends who are Jewish voted Liberal.

I used to live in St Ives and the Jewish population there is mainly new arrivals from South Africa who would be influenced more by the locals to vote Liberal as they have mainly landed jobs in the corporate sector quick smart.

However in areas like Bondi and Rose Bay, where the Jewish community is mainly from Polish, Russian and Australian-born and who have been there much longer are from much poorer origins and who have worked hard to bring prosperity would mostly vote Labor.

In the Labor Party itself, Michael Danby, the MP for Melbourne Ports is Jewish, as is Mark Dreyfus for Isaacs and Eric Roozendaal in the NSW Legislative Council. Bob Hawke, Kim Beazley and Kevin Rudd are all outspoken Israel supporters. While single ALP members are not all supportive of Israel (Julia Irwin, Leo Macleay) they have quite a history.

Jews would not vote Labor because of its economic policies..

How many Jews do you actually know, you ignorant prat?

 

[AntiHyper]

I didn't see any explosions in that YouTube video

 

[HotShot]

I find difficult to understand why Israel would waste its time attacking Lebanon. There is really no thread from that region. THis evident from the fact that Hezbollah are able to attack from there and screw up Lebanon.

Bascially every fucken militaric spokems, terrorists specialists have indicated that Hezbollah are backed by Syria. SO why isnt ISrael attaking them?

Because ISrael are terrorists. They have nukes, yet they claim to have none. Just think why this started in the first place.

A few israeli soldier were captured in Lebanon, what the hell where they doing there? Its bit like a north korean soldier wandering in SOuth Korea - as if you wouldnt capture him?.

man this is bullshit.

 

[ZabZu]

I find difficult to understand why Israel would waste its time attacking Lebanon.

Because there is a extremist group there which launched an unprovoked raid IN ISRAEL killing and capturing Israeli soldiers. Israel is trying to stop the people holding the 2 soldiers from leaving Lebanon, hence the bombing of the roads, ports and airport.

Bascially every fucken militaric spokems, terrorists specialists have indicated that Hezbollah are backed by Syria. SO why isnt ISrael attaking them?

If Israel attacks Syria then Iran would join the war directly. It would completely destabilise the region and Iran would also probably attack American interests in Iraq.

A few israeli soldier were captured in Lebanon, what the hell where they doing there?

The Israeli soldiers were in Israel near the Lebanese border. Hezbollah launched a raid inside Israel.

 

[HotShot]

Because there is a extremist group there which launched an unprovoked raid IN ISRAEL killing and capturing Israeli soldiers. Israel is trying to stop the people holding the 2 soldiers from leaving Lebanon, hence the bombing of the roads, ports and airport.



If Israel attacks Syria then Iran would join the war directly. It would completely destabilise the region and Iran would also probably attack American interests in Iraq.

The Israeli soldiers were in Israel near the Lebanese border. Hezbollah launched a raid inside Israel.

but hezbollah have no ties to Lebanon, they are based in SYria.