not all christians are boring stereotypical bible bashers (1 Viewer)

[ur_inner_child]

I've been going to church all my life. I think I know what is Christian and what is not.

A CHRISTIAN THINKS: Jesus is God, he paid for the sins of the world and through him we'll go to heaven.

A JEHOVA'S WITNESS THINKS: only 144 people will get to heaven (what the...) and you need to work hard and do lots of good things to get there. Jesus doesn't even come into the picture. In what way is that "Christian faith"?

Does this mean you also have the ability to say who's christian and who isnt?

you still hold differing values to other christians eg

homosexuality
sex before marriage
whether marriage is really necessary
whether you should go to church every sunday

and many more in which go to greater depth

you are still, different, from the smallest degree, which makes one fucking hell of a difference.

 

[wheredanton]

Does this mean you also have the ability to say who's christian and who isnt?

you still hold differing values to other christians eg

homosexuality
sex before marriage
whether marriage is really necessary
whether you should go to church every sunday

and many more in which go to greater depth

you are still, different, from the smallest degree, which makes one fucking hell of a difference.

She is from the bible belt so her views are to be expected.

 

[sp0ntane0us]

Does this mean you also have the ability to say who's christian and who isnt?

you still hold differing values to other christians eg

homosexuality
sex before marriage
whether marriage is really necessary
whether you should go to church every sunday

and many more in which go to greater depth

you are still, different, from the smallest degree, which makes one fucking hell of a difference.

You've got a good point. There are differences between Christians, and I'm not saying that all of my opinions are absolutely right. I'm just saying that Jehova's Witnesses in particular, don't share the basic beliefs that would classify them as followers of Christianity.

I am a Chrsitian but I don't think that non-Chrsitians are second-class citizens, I do not think I am superior to anyone. I'm just putting forward my point of view, and what I think is true.

 

[Lundy]

Jehova's Witnesses don't share any of the basic Christian beliefs. They just call themselves "Chrsitian" to make themselves sound more plausible, when in actual fact, they're a cult.

Christianity is also a cult.

 

[sp0ntane0us]

Christianity is also a cult.

Hmm. Well you're entitled to think that. I suppose it's true in some ways, but it depends on you're defenition of "cult".

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Hmm. Well you're entitled to think that. I suppose it's true in some ways, but it depends on you're defenition of "cult".

If you can come up with a definition of a cult that would exclude christianity it would be quite a confabulous definition... something like 'a cult is a blah blah except for christianity' lol

 

[sp0ntane0us]

If you can come up with a definition of a cult that would exclude christianity it would be quite a confabulous definition... something like 'a cult is a blah blah except for christianity' lol

haha. You are oh-so-witty.
For your information, I am actually interested in having an intelligent discussion here. As much as I love having my beliefs criticised by random strangers...

 

[Not-That-Bright]

haha. You are oh-so-witty.
For your information, I am actually interested in having an intelligent discussion here. As much as I love having my beliefs criticised by random strangers...

Can I hear the definition of a cult that would exclude christianity now?

 

[stalk_if_u_dare]

Jehovah Witnesses are christian.

its the sign that said it, not me!

Jehova's Witnesses don't share any of the basic Christian beliefs. They just call themselves "Chrsitian" to make themselves sound more plausible, when in actual fact, they're a cult.

Totally agree. They sort of base themselves on numbers of some kind. My friend who went to one of their meetings was werided out by so many numbers!

Oh yeah, my parents consider the Baptist church as a cult. oh man! all that hand-waving!

 

[Not-That-Bright]

its the sign that said it, not me!



Totally agree. They sort of base themselves on numbers of some kind. My friend who went to one of their meetings was werided out by so many numbers!

As far as my operational definition of christian goes... as long as they accept jesus as the son of god then they're a christian :/ What's your definition?

 

[stalk_if_u_dare]

As far as my operational definition of christian goes... as long as they accept jesus as the son of god then they're a christian :/ What's your definition?

Wait, do Jehovah witnesses actually believe that jesus is the son of god? i thought they considered him a prophet..like muslims & jews??

 

[sp0ntane0us]

CULT=
a religious group or sect which:
a) cuts themselves off from the rest of humanity.
b) Their lives are centered around the worship of a particular person or object.
c) extremely strong leadership, like a dicator.

And yes, the second point I made is true for Christianity. Christians entire lives are centered on Jesus.
But, if you think about it, who doesn't have something in the center of their life, which is their every motive? Whether it be money, family, or a particular passion or hobby, everyone has something they "worship", something they live for.

 

[stalk_if_u_dare]

For me, im not that fussed about Jesus,

i mean, hell yeah he did amazing things...but it was God who made him & made everything.

So im mainly for God! not jesus.

 

[sp0ntane0us]

As far as my operational definition of christian goes... as long as they accept jesus as the son of god then they're a christian :/ What's your definition?

Christians think that Jesus IS God.

They also believe that humans, being sinful and evil creatures, deserve to go to hell. But Jesus' death was a divine sacrifice which paid our debt.

Jehova's witnesses don't agree. They think he was a phrophet and a good man, but not God. And they think that we still need to do good deeds to make up for our mistakes. But they're wrong. Jesus did it allready by dying.

 

[erawamai]

Christianity is also a cult.

yep!

Main Entry: cult
Pronunciation: 'k&lt
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate -- more at WHEEL
1 : formal religious veneration : WORSHIP
2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>
5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion

 

[sp0ntane0us]

yep!

Main Entry: cult
Pronunciation: 'k&lt
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate -- more at WHEEL
1 : formal religious veneration : WORSHIP
2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <HEALTH cults>
5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion

Ok, so Christianity is a cult because we do worship/devotion/rituals?
In that case, should all religions be considered cults?

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Ok, so Christianity is a cult because we do worship/devotion/rituals?
In that case, should all religions be considered cults?

Wellll not all religious beliefs (i.e. pantheism or deism I really wouldn't say is a cult.) but yes all religions.

 

[sp0ntane0us]

Just out of curiosity... if all cults/religions are just a group of people who worship a certain thing, what's so bad about them?

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Just out of curiosity... if all cults/religions are just a group of people who worship a certain thing, what's so bad about them?

When you start to believe in non-sense, reality has a way of catching up. Let alone the way these people affect others... But really there's nothing inherently 'bad' about a cult, it's up to you if you think it's a good sort of thing.

 

[ur_inner_child]

Just out of curiosity... if all cults/religions are just a group of people who worship a certain thing, what's so bad about them?

the imposing and the urge to spread this cult. the urge to convert others. the idea whether consciously or not, that this is the right religion or the right way of thinking. certain values are created that oppose other cults which has much to do with what's happening now.

other than that, don't get me started