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That's fine imo, as long as the adherant's are against religious belief's which they think are to the detriment of society.

[creationist asshole] But I've never seen a bird give birth to a non-bird! That's no proof at all [/kent hovind]

It's ordered but so complex that to us it appears to be chaotic. There is an objective reality which is why such things as maths can work. Hypothesis can be tested based on the evidence which we currently have, but of course they can never be 100% proven as I explained in my former post...

Yea you've now become the most stalkable person on these forums. I'd expect a visit from Mark Mooks any day now. But yeah, that's a cool car. I'm jealous.

Allow me to explain this the best I can from your question. Meaning While we don't think there is a 'meaning' to the universe, we can create our own meaning and of course. I care about myself and others because it is hard-wired into my being, creatures that feel empathy for others, co-operate...

Yep exactly. I recommend everyone to read this book if at all possible. Essentially it is about how groups of people, all fighting for their idea of what the right answer is (diverse groups, groups that agree don't work), will come out with a better answer usually than any one individual. I...

Go back and read the context of my post and the example I gave. As for the Isreali's, they're also bombing for their security - their strategy seems to be to force lebanon into action against hezbolah. Is it moral? No IMO.

BradCube, I think a new thread should be started. Are you willing to debate this, including a debate about whether absolute morality can even exist? because to me, a few too many concessions have been made.

You said that a person is only a soul/entity, their action's mean nothing. So are you saying only to God does a person's actions form a part of their being? I don't quite understand why someone's actions are a part of their being for God, but not for you - Either someone's actions are a part of...

I don't believe you. It's not a matter of an eye for an eye, we're not bombing them to enact revenge, we are bombing them for our security.

It's not a matter of a patriot. It's a matter of being scared for your own security and that of your loved ones around you.

So you're saying you live a moral life due to fear of punishment when you die? How is a person moral when the only reason someone is not doing something is because they fear punishment? Surely God knows that you're just tricking him? You said a person is just a soul/entity, if this is all that...

In the event of your country being under attack that is what is done. There would be talks going on behind the scenes I am sure, but basically Isreal is tired of Lebanon putting up with hezbolah so they're going to go in and blow some stuff up to let them know they mean business. All the...

It's not that, it's the fact that they're being attacked from people in outside countries that now have the capability to launch rocket's into your city. I do not want to claim that the same has not happened to palestine for some time, but it is a natural and fair reaction by a nation-state to...

Yes ok fine, I'll accept there's this over-riding, absolute morals which don't affect me or you until we're dead. What an odd discussion of morals? How does this help us in our reality which we are existing in now? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition People went around punishing people...

See the big thing is... this is what you said earlier, now you've gone on to explain that essentially while the ultimate moral's of God mean that we're all bad. In the mortal world, humans are given discretion about whether to apply punishments etc - So we still don't have this good/bad moral...

You do tho and I'm trying to find out about your moral stance. So God has essentially two sets of morals. On the one hand, you're all sinners. But on the other hand, he's willing to allow mortal's to live their mortal lives and essentially decide for themselves what punishment's should be...

This was meant to be about morals. How is it morally right to punish one person who is no worse than anyone else, just because of their impact on their victims. Perhaps so, but does that make it morally right? But you believe that his morals are absolute, so of course you agree with them. I...

So you don't feel that all people are equally bad, you just think that god considers all people equally bad? You disagree with God? If you agree with God, then how can you agree with a worldly system that punishes people for being 'bad' while knowing that ultimately they are no worse than...

Shut up bitch.