the hsc cannot tell you how smart you are. discuss (2 Viewers)

[SiZmOs]

I'm with asylum, it seems our latest HSC Graduates are a bunch of little conformist cunts... They see everything from the perspective of "Do Well in HSC > Do Well At Uni > Do Well at Job > Perfect life" - It is... such a narrow world view, there is so much more out there to fulfill your lives guys.

not all of us... id like to think that the HSC is a teardrop in the ocean, so to speak. it's a bump in the road (insert other metaphors here)... something which years down the track you'll recall as sitting in a room for a few hours, and the time spent at school with friends.

 

[funnybunny]

I'm with asylum, it seems our latest HSC Graduates are a bunch of little conformist cunts... They see everything from the perspective of "Do Well in HSC > Do Well At Uni > Do Well at Job > Perfect life" - It is... such a narrow world view, there is so much more out there to fulfill your lives guys.

that, i must say, is one of the dumbest and most ignoratn things i hear from ppl....
WAT DO U SERIOUSLY think that ppl actually believe "Do Well in HSC > Do Well At Uni > Do Well at Job > Perfect life" and that they dont knoe that "there is so much more out there"....PFFT.....doin well at uni, getting a job that u like, is a stepping stone 2 living out ur dreams and fulfilling ur lives ..
PPL who say that r pathetic, esp those with lower uai's who try 2 delude themselves by saying all this shit...WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD....THE REAL WORLD IS COMPETITIVE
...if u werent commited for the hsc, then it says somethin about everythin u will do later in life.........
yes, asylum, ..dropppoin out of school in yr 10 and getting a trade would be the smartest thing 2 do IF u r passionate about becomin a carpenter/electrician/mechanic...IF, like most high school students, u want 2 become a lawyer/doctor/businessman/businesswoman/engineer,etc then u go 2 uni:wave:

and btw, the hsc is not neccesarily "spoon-fed" ....wat about those of us who had crappy teachers, and had 2 learn independently? and wat about maths? ..u can hardly say that is spoon-fed

 

[krabby_me]

It could be shown that the HSC does not show how smart you are by a series of studies. The HSC is a mixture of motivation/memory and how much you want to follow society.
If you follow everyone else and decide to be a doctor then you are following the masses. The mass of people fail in life.
Being smart is NOT telling teachers what they wanted to hear. Smart is the ability to adapt well to new situations in order to make positive decsions.
In english last year most people regurgitated what they wanted the teacher to hear. I told my opinions and a as a result got low marks. I decided to see how smart everyone else was, and i decided to regurgiatate what the teacher wanted in my trials.
Suprise suprise, i received much much higher marks.

The ability to learn and adapt will help you much more in life and uni rather then regurgitating other peoples ideas, ideas that have already been praised. Ideas that will not bring success.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

that, i must say, is one of the dumbest and most ignoratn things i hear from ppl....

You are one of the dumbest and ignorant people I've ever met.

....PFFT.....doin well at uni, getting a job that u like, is a stepping stone 2 living out ur dreams and fulfilling ur lives ..

It's not the only one - and it also depends what your dreams are...

PPL who say that r pathetic, esp those with lower uai's who try 2 delude themselves by saying all this shit....WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD....THE REAL WORLD IS COMPETITIVE

Yes - Unfortunately alot of the people whom have the investment properties, whom are going away for ski trips to europe in the holidays... are people that left school early, did a trade, perhaps started up their own business...

Your perspective of life is so pathetic and it worries me that you see education as nothing but a means to making 'da big bux'... I think when you go out for a job you might realise where you failed to see the bigger picture.

yes, asylum, ..dropppoin out of school in yr 10 and getting a tade would be the smartest thing 2 do IF u r passionate about becomin a carpenter/electrician/mechanic...IF, like most high school students, u want 2 become a lawyer/doctor/businessman/businesswoman/engineer,etc then u go 2 uni

It has nothing to do with being passionate about it really. These people just want to make money so that they can spend more time on the things they are truely passionate about.

 

[SiZmOs]

there is too much expectation on younger people to know what they want to do while they are young. i really didnt know what i wanted to do, and still dont. policing at the moment for me is just an in between. not something i really see myself doing for the rest of my life.

the fact that middle aged people and above can enter university shows that we don't have to make our choices now. how often do u hear of people changing careers drastically mid way through?

and obviously if one finds themselves interested in medicine, the law, then they are going to be better at doing it, because one way or another they will be surrounded by it and wish to be more involved in it.

 

[funnybunny]

haha...u havent even met me u dumbass :rofl:
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It's not the only one - and it also depends what your dreams are..."

WTF?>..thats just sum mumbo jumbo shit u've made up 2 cover the fact that i'm right.....i never said that was the ONLY ONE...normally a stepping stone is only ONE of many , whcih leads 2 ur dream .. u dumbass
also, "depends what ur dreams are?" CARE 2 EXPLAIN?

"alot of the people" - is that based on fact? or another one of ur mumboi jumbo gags???? ...and there is more 2 life than investment properites and ski trips ! ...i pity u..u seem 2 think success in life is based on materialistic things and follow the masses who watch tv and see the lives of rockstars

I PITY U FOR UR PATHETIC VIEW ON LIFE..u seem to think that life is only aobut money and image ...pfft...

 

[AsyLum]

that, i must say, is one of the dumbest and most ignoratn things i hear from ppl....
WAT DO U SERIOUSLY think that ppl actually believe "Do Well in HSC > Do Well At Uni > Do Well at Job > Perfect life" and that they dont knoe that "there is so much more out there"....PFFT.....doin well at uni, getting a job that u like, is a stepping stone 2 living out ur dreams and fulfilling ur lives ..
PPL who say that r pathetic, esp those with lower uai's who try 2 delude themselves by saying all this shit...WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD....THE REAL WORLD IS COMPETITIVE
...if u werent commited for the hsc, then it says somethin about everythin u will do later in life.........
yes, asylum, ..dropppoin out of school in yr 10 and getting a trade would be the smartest thing 2 do IF u r passionate about becomin a carpenter/electrician/mechanic...IF, like most high school students, u want 2 become a lawyer/doctor/businessman/businesswoman/engineer,etc then u go 2 uni:wave:

and btw, the hsc is not neccesarily "spoon-fed" ....wat about those of us who had crappy teachers, and had 2 learn independently? and wat about maths? ..u can hardly say that is spoon-fed

And all this before even entering the real world, wow *sniffs* our world is in such good hands

 

[Not-That-Bright]

haha...u havent even met me u dumbass :rofl:

:/

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Wow, this forum sure seems to be a place for meeting...

WTF?>..thats just sum mumbo jumbo shit u've made up 2 cover the fact that i'm right.....i never said that was the ONLY ONE...normally a stepping stone is only ONE of many , whcih leads 2 ur dream .. u dumbass

You were saying that doing good at your hsc etc is a stepping stone to better things in life in response to what I had said... I assumed this meant you believe there are not alternative ways to reach your dreams without even using the stepping stones?

also, "depends what ur dreams are?" CARE 2 EXPLAIN?

Well some peoples dreams will not require bucket-loads of money?

alot of the people" - is that based on fact? or another one of ur mumboi jumbo gags????

No it's based on fact, at least of the 'millionaires' I know :/

and there is more 2 life than investment properites and ski trips ! ...i pity u..u seem 2 think success in life is based on materialistic things and follow the masses who watch tv and see the lives of rockstars

I was just using it as an example to challenge what you were presenting.

 

[AsyLum]

haha...u havent even met me u dumbass :rofl:
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It's not the only one - and it also depends what your dreams are..."

WTF?>..thats just sum mumbo jumbo shit u've made up 2 cover the fact that i'm right.....i never said that was the ONLY ONE...normally a stepping stone is only ONE of many , whcih leads 2 ur dream .. u dumbass
also, "depends what ur dreams are?" CARE 2 EXPLAIN?

"alot of the people" - is that based on fact? or another one of ur mumboi jumbo gags???? ...and there is more 2 life than investment properites and ski trips ! ...i pity u..u seem 2 think success in life is based on materialistic things and follow the masses who watch tv and see the lives of rockstars

You haven't provided any legible/logical notions or explanations as of yet. Furthermore, your attacks seem to rely on "ha i'm right, therefore you're wrong".

 

[funnybunny]

And all this before even entering the real world, wow *sniffs* our world is in such good hands

wow ...such an inspiring reply ... im sorry if u dont knoe, but in the real world , u neeed 2 take in wat others say and then comprehend and examine it and then give a reply ...

"You haven't provided any legible/logical notions or explanations as of yet. Furthermore, your attacks seem to rely on "ha i'm right, therefore you're wrong""
OHHHH RIGHTTT ...OF COURSEEEEE legible eh?...my typing is legible isnt it?????? AND PLZ., WAT EXACTLY AM I explaining?

How can u assume that i meant tehres no other way 2 get 2 ur career..thats just stupid

"Well some peoples dreams will not require bucket-loads of money?" -
hmmm....u assume that ppl who want 2 do med/law/go into uni want money...seriosly u should hav a more open-minded view
again, it is u who is saying that money is everythin in life...
"Unfortunately alot of the people whom have the investment properties, whom are going away for ski trips to europe in the holidays... are people that left school early, did a trade, perhaps started up their own business..." ------mayb u shuld realise that ppl do things for reasons other than money

 

[AsyLum]

wow ...such an inspiring reply ... im sorry if u dont knoe, but in the real world , u neeed 2 take in wat others say and then comprehend and examine it and then give a reply ...

Usually, but i'd need something to attack/critique/analyse, unfortunately as i've already stated, there is little substance to your arguments past what has already been discussed.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

You've essentially just called me stupid... and other immature tactics, once I can manage to discern wtf you're on about. I think "u neeed 2 take in wat others say and then comprehend and examine it" needs to be altered a little... perhaps 'You need to first work out whether the person whom is talking to you is worth listening to - If they are - then properly comprehend and examine it.'

Si?

 

[funnybunny]

for ppl as ignorant as not-that-bright ,
wat i am sayin is that the hsc gives u a boast 2 the career u want 2 do and that if ur smart, u'd take the hsc seriously.

"Quote:
PPL who say that r pathetic, esp those with lower uai's who try 2 delude themselves by saying all this shit....WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD....THE REAL WORLD IS COMPETITIVE

Yes - Unfortunately alot of the people whom have the investment properties, whom are going away for ski trips to europe in the holidays... are people that left school early, did a trade, perhaps started up their own business..."

OH YES...UR ANSWER WAS CLEAR AND SUCCINT AND ADDRESSED MY QUESTION PERFECTLY

"you've essentially called me stupid"...well..at least u can gather that up ..considering u've said it directly 2 me, rather than answering my questions....u've essentially replied with obvious things such as life isnt about money ,etc rather than challenging my belief that hsc is a stepping stone 2 a career

 

[Not-That-Bright]

for ppl as ignorant as not-that-bright ,

Wow, that's some good name calling - You want to provide some evidence as to how I am ignorant? You just seem to have gotten cut because I called you ignorant (and showed how you are) so you've turned it back on me... for some reason.

wat i am sayin is that the hsc gives u a boast 2 the career u want 2 do and that if ur smart, u'd take the hsc seriously.

- It depends what your career is.
- Just because you don't do well doesn't mean you didn't take the HSC seriously... you may change in the future, or specialise in one particular area... or really not care that much for education.

I find it quite ironic that someone demonstrating as much of a lack of intelligence as you can come on a forum and hack on the 'stupid people'.

 

[kami]

funnybunny you don't even really need what the HSC offers to get in to uni, it doesn't even get you there faster. The HSC seriously means nothing to your future, and it says very little about your IQ - sure the people who got 99+ are probably intelligent people but there a hundreds of areas and style of intellect that the HSC just doesn't cover at all. In fact if I wanted to succeed in life I could do very well by ignoring the HSC entirely and many people have taken that path because the HSC isn't really vital just traditional.

 

[Dreamerish*~]

Wow, that's some good name calling - You want to provide some evidence as to how I am ignorant? You just seem to have gotten cut because I called you ignorant (and showed how you are) so you've turned it back on me... for some reason.



- It depends what your career is.
- Just because you don't do well doesn't mean you didn't take the HSC seriously... you may change in the future, or specialise in one particular area... or really not care that much for education.

I find it quite ironic that someone demonstrating as much of a lack of intelligence as you can come on a forum and hack on the 'stupid people'.

I agree with NTB that your HSC results don't reflect your attitude towards work, or life in general. People change. People learn from their mistakes. They can drop out in year 10 with abysmal grades, but crawl back up and make something of themselves. Good UAIs and good universites aren't the only paths to success, although many people choose it because it's arguably safer (depending on which course you do) - you can be sure you'll wind up with a degree, at least.

 

[stazi]

People who think they're intelligent are never intelligent. (Usually). The opposite also applies.

Anyway, take this for example. A person with a UAI of less than 30 or a person of UAI of 100.

WELL I WONDER WHO IS MORE INTELLIGENT?!?!?!

So yes, to an extent, the HSC does tell how smart one is.

Yes and no.
If the person really exerts themselves and gets a uai of 79, then perhaps, yes, they are unintelligent.
However, there are many different types of intelligence - 'rote learning' intelligence, logical intelligence, creative intelligence, philosophical intelligence, etc.

I got a uai of 92.75, without applying myself very strenuously, but I would think that I can easily be more intelligent than people with 99+UAIs.

In fact, the concept of intelligence is very difficult to define and there has been much debate about it in psychological studies. The gf/gc theory is perhaps the best one - where 'intelligence' is really the culmination of 'crystalised' (i.e. learned) and 'fluid' (i.e. not learned such as spatial abilities, etc etc) knowledge. IQ tests try and rank people based on this principle, but the argument is that someone could be crap in a few categories, and exceptional in some others, does this mean their intelligence level is lower than someone who is just average?

I think the following types of 'intelligence' are actually very important:
-Understanding (or at least opinions) of the world (philosophically, emotionally, mentally, etc). If you're introverted and only understand what is directly in front of you, rather than the grand scheme of things I don't think one is particularly 'intelligent'
-Concept of self: understand your emotions, your thoughts, etc.
-'Book smarts'
-'Street smarts'
-Anal sex having ability.

I think you can only have one of these types of 'intelligence' and be a very intelligent individual (with the first and second being very important to have; and one of the following types completing an 'intelligent individual')
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Regarding uni, one can go very well regardless of UAI (with my UAI of 92.75 I'm far outperforming people who got amazingly high UAIs). This is because in school you get tested on a broader range of subjects, whilst in uni you specialise according to your abilities.
Then again, even uni marks aren't really correlated to intelligence - there are many people that don't want to attain high marks, but may go on to complete phds, etc.

 

[funnybunny]

yea, i get ur point Kami (at least u reply properly)
but all i'm, saying is that ppl who say that hsc doesnt mean a thing r wrong cause it IS a stepping stone 2 ur career ... but it isnt the only stone, if u get wat i mean....
theres many ways 2 get to wat u want 2 do , but the hsc is a great way 2 get the course u want which leads 2 a career u realli want 2 do.

 

[AsyLum]

Read back, no one said it didnt mean nothing, we're discussing whether it is a mark of intelligence, and we're saying it is nothing more than a what it claims to be, a year of study on a syllabus with assignments and an exam at the end.

You can draw conclusions out of it signalling A=B but in the end, it is very difficult to say that with any definity, thats what we've been arguing for the past couple of pages. Please keep up.

 

[funnybunny]

Wow, that's some good name calling - You want to provide some evidence as to how I am ignorant? You just seem to have gotten cut because I called you ignorant (and showed how you are) so you've turned it back on me... for some reason.
.

umm.....again, didnt i just tell u?

IN REPLY TO : "PPL who say that r pathetic, esp those with lower uai's who try 2 delude themselves by saying all this shit....WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD....THE REAL WORLD IS COMPETITIVE
YOU"VE SAID:"

Yes - Unfortunately alot of the people whom have the investment properties, whom are going away for ski trips to europe in the holidays... are people that left school early, did a trade, perhaps started up their own business..."

i think the definition of ignorance covers this...the fact that u dont answer me but simply go off on a completely different thread and throw in obivous., yet irrelevant facts .....