left and right wingers - im confused! (2 Viewers)

[mr EaZy]

wow!
im glad i put up this thread, i thought i was gonna get criticized for not knowing these issues
i hope everyone benefits from this

 

[Li0n]

wow!
im glad i put up this thread, i thought i was gonna get criticized for not knowing these issues
i hope everyone benefits from this

not really, you gave an opportunity for randoms like neo to show how smart they are, *or how smart they THINK they are
LOLOR!@

 

[LadyBec]

now now, play nice li0n
honestly must every thread around here be full of abuse?
Meanwhile... I like the term "leftie" I think it's cute.

 

[mr EaZy]

i dont mind being abused online, except when people get so vulgar and start thinking evil stuff about me and stuff i dont want to get into here (people these days !!)

anywayz, ive decided that i dont want to favour one side or the other - i mean : who says that you have to? - unless u want to join an extremist party that is!

i liked reading what people had to say in this thread though
really interesting, but i think its best to be moderate, although i am a conservative, and support government economic policies. i also support the UN

i dunno, ill still vote labor, so im more to the left than to the right!

 

[timrie6]

Leftists love impotent NGO's like the UN, but hate globalisation. Leftists love protectionism and unionism and hate the thought of free trade. Leftists hate economic reform, and be damned if economic reform is the only way to improve living standards. Leftists hate Jews. Leftists are impotent, yet aggressive, take for example hiphophooray's wonderful comparison of Liberal voters to "gang rapists". Leftists like to label their socially regressive ideas as progressive whilst forgetting that it's all been tried (and failed) before.

Leftists like to think that the world is against them, but the world is just laughing at them.

a fair few generalisations here don't you think?

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Actually, the Liberals are quite right economically, but I'd say in regards to social reform they are moderates.

I'm going got keep this post bi-partisan. Economically speaking a right winger generally favours minimising the involvement of the government in day to day life, for both ideological beliefs and in the belief that small governments operate much more efficiently. For example, minimising taxation and moving towards a user pays system. Progressive right wingers favour economic liberalisation, i.e.: the removal of trade barriers and micro-economic reform.

Left wingers on the other hand tend to hate their fellow man (bi-partisan? =P). They feel an inadequacy within themselves and thus champion the causes of those they see as being shunned by society (aboriginals, homosexuals etc). There is no cause, that a leftist won't follow.

Economically leftists believe in robbing Peter to pay Paul. ideally a leftist is interested in minimising or eliminating inequality. This has the added "bonus" of entrusting all power to the government, since of course the only wealth to pay for investments in capital etc is held by the government.

Leftists love impotent NGO's like the UN, but hate globalisation. Leftists love protectionism and unionism and hate the thought of free trade. Leftists hate economic reform, and be damned if economic reform is the only way to improve living standards. Leftists hate Jews. Leftists are impotent, yet aggressive, take for example hiphophooray's wonderful comparison of Liberal voters to "gang rapists". Leftists like to label their socially regressive ideas as progressive whilst forgetting that it's all been tried (and failed) before.

Leftists like to think that the world is against them, but the world is just laughing at them.

A bit harsh but the same is done towards those of us on the right on this forum all the time, i believe this is fairly accurate.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

What's not accurate with what he said? other than it being a bit harsh and having a few generalisations and exaggerations it's pretty accurate, if missing some pro-left information.

 

[absolution*]

What is "social progress"?

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Well having aboriginals at the same level education wise as white people, having less corruption..
some would argue getting rid of the masses of people addicted to drugs..

 

[absolution*]

And all this time, i thought your username was at least somewhat fictional...

 

[Not-That-Bright]

exactly, i'd say getting rid of alcoholism would be a good step towards making a better society.

I'm not talking about the 1 or 2 drinks, im talking about the going crazy drinking 12 beers n shit.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

One or Two drinks doesn't affect u too much and it isn't that bad for ur health...

I don't know of too many people getting into drunken fights after 1 or 2 drinks.

 

[LadyBec]

One or Two drinks doesn't affect u too much and it isn't that bad for ur health...

I don't know of too many people getting into drunken fights after 1 or 2 drinks.

some people do. I would be one of them.

 

[miaomiao]

I often find alot of right wing people (in Australia) to be racist and intolerant and to cloak this intolerance behind an endless string of rationalisations which allow them to avoid ever having to deal with the human element of a problem. Take for instance Aboriginies. Right wing people are not concerned with the interests of aboriginies, they would do everything and anything to avoid giving them what they want. Why? Well if you asked one of them they'd probably spin you a whole lot of crap avoiding the actual reason and justifying their inaction. I honestly beleive that at the end of the day they're just hateful, inhumane people who have become so disconnected from their fellow human beings and so consumed by a capitalist lifestyle and way of thinking that they have lost any ability to show understanding or compassion when it comes to politics... in my humble opinion

 

[miaomiao]

Brilliantly argued! Bravo! When in doubt or unable to respond, insult someone!

Speak for yourself!

 

[Miliux]

left wing is 'equality prevails'. where as right wing is 'the end justifies the means'.

 

[chubbaraff]

'the end justifies the means'

Didnt Trotsky say that.

Neo_o is totally out of touch. In fact I was confused for a moment until i read miaomiao's post because I thought Neo_o was on the left (yes i hate the word leftist), obviously not. The main thing for those interested in the right or left is to watch real news and stay away from sensationalist coverage and youl be able to quickly realise both perspectives. Im not sure if anyone watched out-foxed the other night you will realise that neo_o propogates the same old right wing vitriol that looks at branding or confusing the issue, mind you the right is pretty good at that traditionally, nike, ehem...! Any way to the point, neo_o is using the same old tactic as employed by FOX, if you cant win an argument confuse the hell out of people so no conclusion can ever be reached. Neo_o would have you believe that Stalinism (As professed by Stalinist Nathan) is natural leftism, it surely is not. The left is optomis, humanistic and better still is sick of the cult of individualism that is tearing away at our society and environment. We believe in collective action. But nevertheless, unlike neo_o i will hold back from any further sustained propaganda campaign and leave you with a quote i stumbled across tonight that will make those like neo who use the word left as an insult, that liberating and emancipating perspectives of the left are in natural majority in the backbone of this country, the campuses. Albert Einstein has plenty to say about this:

"What can the schools do to defend democracy? Should they preach a specific political doctrine? I believe they should not. If they are able to teach young people to have a critical mind and a socially oriented attitude, they will have done all that is necessary."

--message to the New Jersey Education Association, Atlantic City, 1939.

Now that is why the left rules the schools, we are open and critical and thought, and the only reason we are squashed out from the mainstream is because our superior morality demands that we listen and be open to the sensationalism of the conservatives in this forum.

 

[chubbaraff]

Oh by the way if you think the left is anti-semetic you better pick up this weeks green-left and read the article on the commemoration of Aushwitz. What other paper would place that and also the struggle for citizenship of the Palistinians in the same paper, none other then a fair and balanced left paper.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

I often find alot of right wing people (in Australia) to be racist and intolerant and to cloak this intolerance behind an endless string of rationalisations which allow them to avoid ever having to deal with the human element of a problem. Take for instance Aboriginies. Right wing people are not concerned with the interests of aboriginies, they would do everything and anything to avoid giving them what they want. Why? Well if you asked one of them they'd probably spin you a whole lot of crap avoiding the actual reason and justifying their inaction. I honestly beleive that at the end of the day they're just hateful, inhumane people who have become so disconnected from their fellow human beings and so consumed by a capitalist lifestyle and way of thinking that they have lost any ability to show understanding or compassion when it comes to politics... in my humble opinion

I find that alot of left wing people are also racist, but they hide this not behind rationalisations but by saying stuff like 'My best friend is black!'. Right wing people are intollerant, we accept that we can find differences between the ways people are based on race, culture etc. There were alot of people talking about how asian parents are more demanding and abusive, these people were generally on the left wing of politics... however they rationalised this when i confronted them by saying "yes but this is accurate, it is truth, are u willing to deny that asian parents aren't more demanding and abusive?".
The same can be said for when people on the right complain about how much crime is commited by aboriginals, the fact is aboriginals do commit alot of crime, we accept that it's a social issue and that they need education, but it is fact that at the moment that aboriginals are more likely to be criminals then whites.

What is wrong with individualism? What is wrong with impowering individuals to achieve their own personal dreams? would you have it that we should all exist for the same purpose and help each other? Practice what you preach, every dollar you make donate and spread it amung everyone in the world. If you want to end social injustice, you can on your own.. as an individual help to end this injustice.

 

[Generator]

The difference seems to be in how to empower the individual.