gang rape retrial (2 Viewers)

[glycerine]

Shut up Justin. Seriously, just fuck off and die. People who are murdered don't have to spend the next usually better part of their life trying to deal with it.

I hate that there had to be a retrial but ultimately I do agree with it. Anyone who doubts Skaf's innocence is very very stupid and ignorant.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

but there's bad things in life that... everyone has to 'deal' with, by your logic we might as well all kill ourselves now to save the pain of going through life..

Sure rape victims have to deal with it, but they still get to experience more of life.

 

[glycerine]

Although, 55 years for rape? You have to be kidding.
Murderers get off with less.
War criminals get off with less.

Also to this: you have to remember some things.
One, Bilal Skaf was the ringleader, meaning he organised these rapes. And it wasn't just one girl once, it was 4 girls on 3 occasions. Two, it wasn't just one 'rape'. She was continually penetrated, over and over, vaginally, anally, orally, forced to give them hand jobs etc, and I'm fairly certain it was in the attack of D that she had a gun put in her mouth when she initially refused to give one of the attackers a blowjob. So they were up on charges of physical as well as sexual assault. Being penetrated once against your will is something that fucks most victims up for life. Imagine being continually penetrated, slapped, threatened, degraded for hours on end and not even knowing if you're going to live through it. This did not happen just to one girl - it happened to four. How did this not deserve a 55 year punishment?

 

[Not-That-Bright]

That type of rape, the type that happened in this case, and that glycerine described... is probably the only rape i would consider almost as bad as murder... if not worse.

 

[glycerine]

but there's bad things in life that... everyone has to 'deal' with, by your logic we might as well all kill ourselves now to save the pain of going through life..

Sure rape victims have to deal with it, but they still get to experience more of life.

Oh fuck off, that is not what I meant. The fact is, long term, being raped is more painful than being murdered, because being murdered *generally* has a much closer point where you can say "okay, it doesn't hurt anymore"... because you're dead.

Being dead doesn't harm anyone, it just stops them from living. And before you take that to mean that I think everyone should die, I don't. I just don't agree that being murdered is more painful long term than being raped.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Of course it's not more painful long term... but you would favour being raped over killed wouldn't you?
Maybe not in the style that this girl was...

 

[Scanorama]

Rape as in sexual intercourse, a male put his penis into the woman's vagina forcefully. Put it this way gentlemen, someone put some objects (from a pencil, a stick to a penis) up your ass forcefully , now how would you feel about it?

And rape victims have the option to die or continue and try to work through problems, murder victims don't.

Do you understand how much the rape victims have to go through? When people in the world like your guys have no idea how much they have gone through, thinking oh well, get over it and move on, thats life. Not to mention some people in the society think they are deserved to be raped because of the way they act, dress etc etc.

I would tend to agree with NTB, that in some cases rape is not as bad as people make it out to be, for example the law defines rapes so far as I know as the unconsensual penetration of any orifice with an object. If I stick a pencil up your nose, I'm sure you'll get over it

Yeah, I dont think the cops will give a fuck about cases like this, they have better things to do. Rape only charged if the person has force someone to have sexual intercouse.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Gough Whitlam, having someone screw you up the ass isn't the worst thing that will ever happen to you. Being forced to give head isn't the worst thing that will ever happen to you.

I just feel that rape is sometimes... exaggerated, like a girl one night gets drunk and some guy takes advantage of her, she wakes up and never gets over it... his life is ruined and so is hers.

What i'm trying to say is... it's all in their head, some rape victims just let it get to them too much.

The type of rape in this case tho, is definately wrong... 55 years? give him life, fuckn bastard. We'll see how he likes it when the guys in prison find out he's a rapist, how tough a man he is then.

 

[glycerine]

But no one is going to get 55 years for date rape. That's the thing I think everyone seems to be misunderstanding... he wasn't up on ONE charge of sexual assault, he was up on assault in company, aggravated sexual assault, penile, anal, vaginal assault etc... the main reason his sentence was so wrong was because the judge made them consecutive rather than concurrent. Which yeah, was unusual, but I think entirely justified. It's not like the judge arbitarily said "ok, 55 years it is!". There were lots of sentences added together, at least that's what my research lead me to believe.

edit: haha, I just bothered reading the full thread (before had only read the first and last page) and this had already been said. oh well.

 

[withoutaface]

Shut up Justin. Seriously, just fuck off and die. People who are murdered don't have to spend the next usually better part of their life trying to deal with it.

I hate that there had to be a retrial but ultimately I do agree with it. Anyone who doubts Skaf's innocence is very very stupid and ignorant.

Rape victims don't have to deal with it, they can neck themselves and have the same easy way out those that are murdered do.

 

[spin spin sugar]

I do believe there are some terrible rapes, however I know first hand from a family member, at a young age, on a continual basis.. that rape isn't always the worst crime...
Murder is much worse than rape, at least in most circumstances imo.

not everyone is the same. i would say your family member is certainly the exception to the rule.

I would tend to agree with NTB, that in some cases rape is not as bad as people make it out to be, for example the law defines rapes so far as I know as the unconsensual penetration of any orifice with an object. If I stick a pencil up your nose, I'm sure you'll get over it

thats not really relevant, or even funny, so i dont know why you said that. on the other hand im sure if someone were ramming a stick up your ass so hard that the wall between your vagina and anus completely ripped, you would probably be traumatised for life too. sorry, but you have to realise what this is actually about. just because you cant personally relate to the gravity of the situation, don't trivialise it.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

spin spin, as far as psychological damage goes alot of people would say a family member would actually do more 'damage'.

 

[spin spin sugar]

oh, i didnt understand what you meant. so youre implying it happened to you, BY a family member?

well i wouldnt know about degrees of psychological damage comparing diff cases, but yes i would say that would have a great impact... dont assume that its all fine and dandy though, its actually quite normal to repress the feelings relating to events like this until a later point in life. you should see a counsellour

 

[Not-That-Bright]

lol I had repressed memories, and i'm fairly sure i had no feelings,
However i'm open for some feelings to come whenever.

 

[spin spin sugar]

lol I had repressed memories, and i'm fairly sure i had no feelings,
However i'm open for some feelings to come whenever.

yeah well, you said it yourself.....

Older Brother - When the drama was at its peak between him and my parents, i recalled some memories from my past, i can remember now when i was younger him sexually abusing me in various serious ways.. I now put up with him living down the hall from me, it doesn't bother me that much really...but hey u can never know what damage has been done can you?

you should see a counsellour. youre in a severe state of repression, unless of course it was just what your parents said it was and your memory's playing it up.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

lol no way on earth was it my memories playing up, I told my parents they didn't "tell" me.
It also wasn't my memories playing up because he appologised to me..

In relation to this threads topic, I honestly think the type of rape this guy did was terrible, don't get me wrong, but like.. i wouldn't put my brother into gaol, i wouldn't cut my wrists or anything stupid like i've heard some others do

 

[spin spin sugar]

no, i meant (from what i read in that other thread) that maybe what your parents said about him just randomly touching you (admittedly this is pretty fucking weird in itself) was true, and if that was it then it probably wouldnt have the worst effect. however if its what you say it is then it WILL come up later in life and its in your best interests to seek counselling now... but i dont think you should project your own experiences onto this case, theres absolutely nothing in common with it.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

No but i'm trying to give people a balance, as people started getting confused and they were talking about rape... as in any type of rape.

This discussion often hasn't been focusing on the type of rape which they committed, at least i hope not as alot of people here have 'supported' the rapist(s).

 

[alien]

NTB, it's true that sometimes people will totally block out terrible memories, and sometimes they won't even know it happened. until something draws them out. so i believe you.
also, being sexually abused can have long term emotional effects. it stuffed up my dad. i hope it doesn't mess you up too. if i was you i'd get counselling or something so it doesn't stuff you up for life. better to face it and overcome it now than have it wreck your future.

 

[White Rabbit]

Sexual abuse by family members can be more damaging than rape, especially if the abuse occurs at a young age. Those raped by a stranger are more able to see that they did not bring it upon themselves - while it is still a horrible, degrading crime, I would say abuse by family members is more detremntal than rape. Only because abuse more often than not is perpetrated by someone whom the victim trusts, in which case it's harder to understand it was not their fault, spending years in silence fighting within themselves, trying to understand what happened and why, blaming themselves.

This paticular crime was unfathomable and the bastards who did it will end up someones bitch in gaol, degraded just as much as their victims, most probably in the same way. And I don't expect the victims to just pick up and move on, but I believe they would be able to place the blame on their attackers alot easier than a victim on abuse.