Does God exist? (1 Viewer)

[totally_screwed]

Of course it is. You don't like the fact that somebody pointed out the holes in your backward, irrational ideology, so you run away.

yeah you win congratulations. it's not really running away, it's more like not wasting time on a thread that couldn't arrive to a conclusion after 922 pages of conversation

having an atheist point out the holes in this backward, irrational ideology won't change what the adherents believe

having adherents defend this backward, irrational ideology won't change what the atheists believe

both parties are adamant, wrong in the eyes of the other, so somebody is gonna have to call it quits and withdraw from a futile argument

 

[B1andB2]

Of course it is. You don't like the fact that somebody pointed out the holes in your backward, irrational ideology, so you run away

I have HSC to worry about

 

[Squar3root]

yeah you win congratulations. it's not really running away, it's more like not wasting time on a thread that couldn't arrive to a conclusion after 922 pages of conversation

having an atheist point out the holes in this backward, irrational ideology won't change what the adherents believe

having adherents defend this backward, irrational ideology won't change what the atheists believe

both parties are adamant, wrong in the eyes of the other, so somebody is gonna have to call it quits and withdraw from a futile argument

so pretty much at the end of the day it's just a belief and everyone has the right to believe whatever they want.

if i wanna believe in santa and the tooth fairy i should be able to and everyone needs to respect that

 

[Squar3root]

I have HSC to worry about

good luck bro

 

[B1andB2]

good luck bro

Don’t know if this is sarcasm or not but thanks either way

 

[Squar3root]

just a questions for the ones left on the thread,

why should we believe in a god when there are muslims out there who smoke/drink/gamble/drugs/etc but they are adamant they are muslim and are following the religion?

like if didn't follow the rules of a club, I would get kicked off the club. is there a similar thing to kick mulims acting like this "out of the club"

 

[Squar3root]

Don’t know if this is sarcasm or not but thanks either way

i was being srs, yr 12 is a bit stressful cos u gotta think about ur future/doing well in school/etc but yeah good luck and just remember that yr 12 doesn't mean anything a couple of years from now.

 

[B1andB2]

just a questions for the ones left on the thread,

why should we believe in a god when there are muslims out there who smoke/drink/gamble/drugs/etc but they are adamant they are muslim and are following the religion?

like if didn't follow the rules of a club, I would get kicked off the club. is there a similar thing to kick mulims acting like this "out of the club"

I already said that being Muslim doesn’t mean you’re going to be saved from punishment.

i was being srs, yr 12 is a bit stressful cos u gotta think about ur future/doing well in school/etc but yeah good luck and just remember that yr 12 doesn't mean anything a couple of years from now.

wow thanks so much it’s actually pretty cool coming from you ngl like thought you wouldn’t wish something nice upon me

thanks!

 

[jimmysmith560]

just a questions for the ones left on the thread,

why should we believe in a god when there are muslims out there who smoke/drink/gamble/drugs/etc but they are adamant they are muslim and are following the religion?

like if didn't follow the rules of a club, I would get kicked off the club. is there a similar thing to kick mulims acting like this "out of the club"

There is judgement in Islam I believe, just like in Christianity. We are given a chance to live a faithful life and judgement will be the result of our actions throughout our life.

Smoking, drinking, gambling and drugs are not considered bad in Islam only. Christianity prohibits those as well plus some other things (which I believe Islam does too).

As for being "kicked out" I'm not entirely sure. However, I do know that for things such as marriage, a Muslim woman cannot marry a non-Muslim man under Islam unless he converts and vice versa, and that there are severe consequences for Muslims who don't adhere to this.

 

[B1andB2]

As for being "kicked out" I'm not entirely sure. However, I do know that for things such as marriage, a Muslim woman cannot marry a non-Muslim man under Islam unless he converts and vice versa, and that there are severe consequences for Muslims who don't adhere to this.

Everyone is sinful, no one is perfect. Islam is not only for those who are “more righteous” and you don’t get kicked out because it’s not a club/cult. It’s just a way of life

 

[Squar3root]

I already said that being Muslim doesn’t mean you’re going to be saved from punishment.

o right

wow thanks so much it’s actually pretty cool coming from you ngl like thought you wouldn’t wish something nice upon me

thanks!

idc about anyones religion/color/age/job/disability/etc etc if the person is decent then we're all good but u can usually tell when someone is being a shitcunt. it just so happens that the people I've had bad experiences with are usually muslim. like for e.g. i used to be a bouncer and kicking out white/asian people out is easy but kicking out muslims was difficult because they want to fight/swear/argue etc which doesn't really give a good impression if u nomsayin

 

[Squar3root]

There is judgement in Islam I believe, just like in Christianity. We are given a chance to live a faithful life and judgement will be the result of our actions throughout our life.

Smoking, drinking, gambling and drugs are not considered bad in Islam only. Christianity prohibits those as well plus some other things (which I believe Islam does too).

As for being "kicked out" I'm not entirely sure. However, I do know that for things such as marriage, a Muslim woman cannot marry a non-Muslim man under Islam unless he converts and vice versa, and that there are severe consequences for Muslims who don't adhere to this.

what are those "severe consequences" and who imposes that? like the mosque or just ur family?

christians/catholics are way worse lol. i went to a catholic school and the amount of shitcunts there....

 

[jimmysmith560]

what are those "severe consequences" and who imposes that? like the mosque or just ur family?

The severe consequences are pretty much hell (or Fire as the Quran describes it), so I would assume they are not imposed during one's life, unless we're talking about a country like Saudi Arabia, where there are punishments (enforced by the government) for breaching Islamic law.

Quran (2:221)

"And do not marry Polytheist women until they believe, And a believing slave woman is better than a Polytheist women, even though she might please you. And do not marry Polytheist men until they believe. And a believing slave is better than a Polytheist men, even though he might please you. Those invite [you] to the Fire, but Allah invites to Paradise and to forgiveness, by His permission. And He makes clear His verses to the people that perhaps they may remember".

christians/catholics are way worse lol. i went to a catholic school and the amount of shitcunts there....

As a Christian I fully agree with you.

 

[B1andB2]

o right

idc about anyones religion/color/age/job/disability/etc etc if the person is decent then we're all good but u can usually tell when someone is being a shitcunt. it just so happens that the people I've had bad experiences with are usually muslim. like for e.g. i used to be a bouncer and kicking out white/asian people out is easy but kicking out muslims was difficult because they want to fight/swear/argue etc which doesn't really give a good impression if u nomsayin

Bouncer? Like night club?

And Muslims?

uh it’s haram for muslims to enter nightclubs but I guess for those that do, can you really generalise?

 

[Squar3root]

The severe consequences are pretty much hell (or Fire as the Quran describes it), so I would assume they are not imposed during one's life, unless we're talking about a country like Saudi Arabia, where there are punishments (enforced by the government) for breaching Islamic law.

Quran (2:221)

"And do not marry Polytheist women until they believe, And a believing slave woman is better than a Polytheist women, even though she might please you. And do not marry Polytheist men until they believe. And a believing slave is better than a Polytheist men, even though he might please you. Those invite [you] to the Fire, but Allah invites to Paradise and to forgiveness, by His permission. And He makes clear His verses to the people that perhaps they may remember".



As a Christian I fully agree with you.

oh interesting

do u kno why (or can point me in the right direction) why all these qruran and bible were written in parables and shit? like wouldn't it be easier to say what u mean

Bouncer? Like night club?

And Muslims?

uh it’s haram for muslims to enter nightclubs but I guess for those that do, can you really generalise?

yeah like night clubs and bars/etc

i think yes I can generalise? like I have only met a handful of decent muslims but way more bad ones

but similarly I;ve met more good asians than bad so I generalise that asians are generally better

 

[jimmysmith560]

oh interesting

do u kno why (or can point me in the right direction) why all these qruran and bible were written in parables and shit? like wouldn't it be easier to say what u mean

Yeah, it would definitely be easier to just get straight to the point. I'm not entirely sure why the Bible and Quran are written in the way they are but I would assume it's something to do with the period in which they were originally written. Perhaps those times (1400-2000 years ago) embraced that kind of "literature".

However, I don't think it would be too hard to correctly interpret what they convey? Like with the Quran passage I included it was pretty straightforward to figure out what "Fire" means (or maybe it's just me idk haha).

 

[B1andB2]

oh interesting

do u kno why (or can point me in the right direction) why all these quran and bible were written in parables and shit? like wouldn't it be easier to say what u mean

yeah like night clubs and bars/etc

i think yes I can generalise? like I have only met a handful of decent muslims but way more bad ones

but similarly I;ve met more good asians than bad so I generalise that asians are generally better

It would be easy for an Arabic speaker. it's the translation into English/another language that's difficult.

About the generalisation i should've been more explicit. It's completely normal to generalise, but the problem arises when you start treating people who are respectful with disrespect at first because of your prejudice. That's not okay.

 

[SylviaB]

It would be easy for an Arabic speaker. it's the translation into English/another language that's difficult.

About the generalisation i should've been more explicit. It's completely normal to generalise, but the problem arises when you start treating people who are respectful with disrespect at first because of your prejudice. That's not okay.

It's funny when the people who imprison and execute people for homosexuality, apostasy and practising other religions talk about "respect"

 

[B1andB2]

It's funny when the people who imprison and execute people for homosexuality, apostasy and practising other religions talk about "respect"

sorry i don't remember the last time i imprisoned or executed anyone.

anyhow it's clear you just don't want this thread to die. lol bye

 

[SylviaB]

sorry i don't remember the last time i imprisoned or executed anyone.

anyhow it's clear you just don't want this thread to die. lol bye

muslims do this. And muslims like you never speak out against it. people like you get more upset over someone saying bad things about islam than muslims murdering people in the name of their religion.

Btw, your prophet was a slave trader and pedophile.