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laura_beth i've already covered every point you made in that paragraph, you simply continue to ignore my posts. Well I would say the reason there are alot of muslim scholars is due to the nature of many predominately muslim societies...

Muslim bender... go out and get wasted, fill the hijab with yager and do shots off the koran.

Perhaps love does not exist? It doesn't matter if they were lying or not. Alot of people really DO believe that elvis is alive, they are not lying when they claim they have seen elvis or whatever... but it is not truthful. These predictions from all religious texts are just utterly...

Asking "what created the big bang" just shows you know even less about the theory than me. Anyway, even if we are to somehow imagine it has to be some creative being that created the unverse you still run into all the problems I listed above. Sorry, your religion is still not validated.

Ok... well there are more problems with your theory, for instance: Essentially all that you are left with is: "An unknown, unknowable entity did it in an unknown manner for unknown reasons." Bow down in wonder.

I'm with you for everything but That does not follow at all. Of course I have no problem if you wish to call this 'creative force' god, and you would still probably not deviate from big bang.... However we can see many examples of creation occuring without any form of intelligence what so...

You were doing good untill that last part... Even if there was some beginning to our universe, that does not mean that there was a 'God' at least not the way you conceptualise a God. You also have to deal with the issue of energy as a constant.

No you talk big about how you 'used to be like us', but i worked it out and the last time you were 'like us' you were 14-15 and probably hadn't even thought about God that much.

What attributes of God? You've just arbitarily given him those contradictory attributes as a cop out. You want to play in the realm of science and logic, you have to play by the rules. You cannot simply claim 'GOD IS BEYOND LOGIC/PHYSICS/SCIENCE!'.

They did not ban it, they simply did not want to put up an australian flag after a riot where people wanted 'aussies to reclaim our beaches'.

BTW, for those of you claiming I have not argued properly... please go back and read the past few posts... Note that I constantly answer him, and he simply refuses to reply and instead continues on his crazy little rants. Oh yes as a 14 year old you must have been quite the rebel.

Anyway, I believe he's attempting to use intelligent design to prove the existance of god... let me show you where it ends up.

............. You serious? See: Big Bang. I did, I said your preposition that creation requires intelligence is wrong, I also provided an example (see: new planets). Once that preposition is gone your entire argument falls apart, much like your one before it.

Wait a second, you think it's a sensible idea to conclude (out of nowhere) that a creating force must have intelligence? How many new planets are formed around the universe in a natural way we can explain?

You speak a bunch of rhetorical babble-shit then expect us to retort it? We can only begin to fathom what the hell you are on about with your constant use of bs prepositions such as "creation requires intelligence" So after looking at logical arguments you came to the conclusion that the...

Is it just me or is riqtay trying to sound smart and comming off as really, really dumb?

I am an atheist and a fairly conservative person.... It's also extremely stupid that you do not question your faith using logic and science.

Why didn't God produce the koran in multiple languages, and have multiple prophets all over the world?

No - your reasoning had false prepositions i.e. that a creating force would have to be intelligent.

..................... Why does it require intelligence? I am saying that the creator is energy, as it is the thing that created everything... IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A BEING! ................................................................................................