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I of course disagree, but would recommend the new book by Geffeory Robinson QC "The Statute of Liberty" any cliche argument against is carefully considered and destroyed, its a short and great read- it destroys any of the spin that Howard/Costello/Pell and Bob Carr have laid out over the years...

hmm it will be Irrelevant to the topic, but are you a republican? Also, do you support a Bill of Rights (it will actually enforce your right to religious freedoms), Pell is a liar!

That will do a lot- you know for the millions of WHITES who are of non-christian faiths? Or is this purely a racial policy?

Also Iron, when I get my republic soon and then my secular Bill of Rights, We will be free from this horrendous monarchal (and theistic) ties!

Only in the spirit of our ties to the monarchy if you want to be anal, yes I can't argue that (the queen being head of the Church of England). although I have the constitution right here, what section is "God the Save the Queen"? But you all of people (law/politics) know that our government...

Not constitutionally and that's what counts. Otherwise by your rationale we will one day be a "muslim" nation if Islamic migrants were the majority. Would you then contend that?

My second point, if we allow that "god" slipped "adam/eve" into the fossil record to be the first, early Homo sapiens about 200 thousand yrs ago, making "Eden" somewhere in Africa, this must logically be the "fall of grace". Then I ask you, what of the other homo species before- Homo...

1/ Iron and I disagree on WORLDY realities, but I will give it to him, in that he doesn't presume judgements about everyone's fate. 2/ To reply above, I won't be offensive as I asked for a Christian opinion, but I have read the Bible myself and most of what you are repeating is almost to the...

Respectfully, its the same yadda so far based on the "fall from grace"- a concept I fervently oppose, as it really undermines the whole "free will" spin which is promoted and essentially proves the totalitarian nature of the theistic paradigm... Yet, back to the question. I don't wanna hear...

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You can r-e-a-d? :p:p

I surf.

Yea just slightly. But why the actual "torture" in hell, no one has ever justified it. Be interesting to see the responses...this is gonna get juicy.

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Second question, Do you respect "theologians" as an academic, even if they have done a phD? I mean is there really any difference between them and someone doing their phD on Harry Potter? I know Dawkins doesn't recongise it as a discipline, I'm inclined to agree. These people are...

A common thread of questioning is (particularly to Protestants, not people who invent non-biblical dimensions like purgatory). Atheist: Why does god send non-believers to hell and have them tortured for eternity? Christian: Oh, he still loves you. He is all-loving and not cruel. It's his...

+1 Most honest thing you have said.

Oh by all means in a practical sense, yes, I am an atheist. That is, I would respond no to the question "Do you believe in God"- there is simply no credible evidence to reject the null hypothesis and accept this alternative. Yet obviously I am also philosophically agnostic- I can't rule out...

Right where we usually end up. Facts to an apologist (who adheres to a neo-conservative, absolutist and bigoted world-view-...religion) are presented, they don't like it and subsequently call the atheist "narrow-minded". It's a common trend.

Two things/ -Narrow minded lol. Do remember I'm not the one professing belief in an absolute. I simply stated facts you didn't want to hear, it's your choice whether you can reconcile with the fact that Islam is extreme. Or you could be open minded and agnostic like myself, recognising the...