Euthanasia (4 Viewers)

[Phoenix Fury]

Re: Questions about euthanasia...

As far as im aware euthanasia is pullin life support off someone, self infliced lethal injection, other similar stuff to end life.

I think that if someone is left brain dead or has a serious accident they arent likely to recover from or has a disease/illness/accident which leaves them in much pain and/or is expensive to provide care for them, that they are entitled to it.

Under another light, everyone should have the right to it, everyone has the right to live and similarly to die.

If I were in a position where I had to make a decision on keeping or pulling life support it really depends on too many things, I'd have to be in that situation to make a decision.

 

[Serius]

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"assisted"suicide,effectively murder [even if they want you to, killing someone is still murder]

either all or nothing. Either we have the legal right to end our life at any time we want for whatever reason we want, or we dont. I dont want to draw lines in the sand because every line has the potential for abuse.

I wouldnt ever. Despite there being many circumstances in which i would take a life [self defence, etc] i beleive that doing so is immoral, and i would like to avoid it as much as possible, and only if its absolutely necessary e.g if my life is directly theatened. Because its hard to see a euthenasia situation like this, i could never morally justify it to myself.

 

[John McCain]

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Individuals should have the right to end their own lives, at any time, for any reason, by the safest, cleanest, most painless and reliable method available, without facing harassment by the state or anybody.

 

[KFunk]

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killing someone is still murder

Not if you accept a definition of murder as killing which is unlawful or intentional with malicious intent, or similar. Pro-life campaigners typically perform a rhetorical twist in which they ensure that the negative moral force of the word 'murder' is firmly associated with euthanasia. Ultimately, to presume an answer to the question 'is euthanasia murder?' is to beg the question with respect to the problem of euthanasia in general.

 

[KFunk]

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Individuals should have the right to end their own lives, at any time, for any reason, by the safest, cleanest, most painless and reliable method available, without facing harassment by the state or anybody.

A core problem with this is that it tends to dissallow paternalism towards individuals with mental illness or some form of cognitive impairment. I find that it leads towards (1) skepticism about mental illness and (2) an inability to ever presume that you can act against the will of a person whilst still acting in their 'best interests', noting that this form of action is very common in a social setting (consider a parent acting on behalf of their child).

 

[Allahu Akbar]

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Out of all the bounties Allah has bestowed upon human beings, the most precious is the gift of life. Each one us should remember that this life Allah has granted us, it is not our personal possession or our personal property. In-fact it is a trust from Allah, making us merely trustees. Because we are trustees we should utilise each and every moment of our lives in the paths that please Allah. It is due to this that we must nevertake our own life. Doing this is a sin of all sins as we have insulted Allah and questioned his will to give us life.

 

[Bigboyjames lol]

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Out of all the bounties Allah has bestowed upon human beings, the most precious is the gift of life. Each one us should remember that this life Allah has granted us, it is not our personal possession or our personal property. In-fact it is a trust from Allah, making us merely trustees. Because we are trustees we should utilise each and every moment of our lives in the paths that please Allah. It is due to this that we must nevertake our own life. Doing this is a sin of all sins as we have insulted Allah and questioned his will to give us life.

jew>shit>abo>muslim

 

[fliick]

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Euthanasia - Youth in Asia? Assisted suicide and aesthetic deletion.

1. If they tick all the boxes that necessitate assisted suicide. (Health problems and unavoidable doom)
2. We NEED an aesthetic deletion unit that remove people from the gene pool. Something more extreme than capital punishment and more instantaneous. (assasins?)

Health problems, unavoidable doom, psychotic tyrants and dictators. And Kyle Sandilands and Corey Worthington. Yes.

 

[ad infinitum]

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Your dad must be a pretty shit academic if he has to ask his children to ask a random online HSC forum to do his Phd on Euthanasia for him.
Next year, when hes doing his Phd on lolcats maybe this forum can help, but given that he is doing a Phd on Euthanasia, lolcats might be a bit above him.

 

[thongetsu]

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- assisted suicide
- if some one is in unbearable pain and wants to die.
- we'll see if and when the time comes.

 

[Bigboyjames lol]

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Your dad must be a pretty shit academic if he has to ask his children to ask a random online HSC forum to do his Phd on Euthanasia for him.
Next year, when hes doing his Phd on lolcats maybe this forum can help, but given that he is doing a Phd on Euthanasia, lolcats might be a bit above him.

you post good shit rarely jew, but thats was good

 

[shuttle_bus5]

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Out of all the bounties Allah has bestowed upon human beings, the most precious is the gift of life. Each one us should remember that this life Allah has granted us, it is not our personal possession or our personal property. In-fact it is a trust from Allah, making us merely trustees. Because we are trustees we should utilise each and every moment of our lives in the paths that please Allah. It is due to this that we must nevertake our own life. Doing this is a sin of all sins as we have insulted Allah and questioned his will to give us life.

Shut up

 

[Allahu Akbar]

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Shut up

When you are in hell ill be looking down at from heaven watching you burn and scream....when you ask for my help ill say "shut up"

 

[shuttle_bus5]

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When you are in hell ill be looking down at from heaven watching you burn and scream....when you ask for my help ill say "shut up"

Saying i will burn in hell means nothing to me. It carries as much weight as me saying the invisible pink unicorn will shove your sacred text so far up your ass, you will be shitting theism for years.

 

[HumanDichotomy]

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Your dad must be a pretty shit academic if he has to ask his children to ask a random online HSC forum to do his Phd on Euthanasia for him.
Next year, when hes doing his Phd on lolcats maybe this forum can help, but given that he is doing a Phd on Euthanasia, lolcats might be a bit above him.

Well, we would be if he did. But he hasn't done that. He's asking me just to transcribe his interviews, which he conducted with palliative care health professionals. This post is just out of interest for *me* because I was wondering what non-doctors thought.

 

[katie tully]

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A core problem with this is that it tends to dissallow paternalism towards individuals with mental illness or some form of cognitive impairment. I find that it leads towards (1) skepticism about mental illness and (2) an inability to ever presume that you can act against the will of a person whilst still acting in their 'best interests', noting that this form of action is very common in a social setting (consider a parent acting on behalf of their child).

So why should people with a mental illness be exempt from being allowed to kill themselves, even if it is during a moment of lapsed lucidity?

 

[KFunk]

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So why should people with a mental illness be exempt from being allowed to kill themselves, even if it is during a moment of lapsed lucidity?

For the same reason I would stop a friend from cutting off a limb, trying to fly from their balcony, branding themself with an esoteric symbol, or similar, in the midst of an exteme manic, depressive or psychotic episode. I assume that there exists some semblance of a stable personal core which can be disrupted, and that such acts constitute a form of self-harm which they would otherwise want to avoid in a typical/normal/lucid state. Granted, 'normality' is an entirely fuzzy concept, but I don't think that vagueness leads me to a particularly difficult position - it simply means that we have to accept grey area cases in the fuzzy zone which will probably depend on ideology and public debate. I certainly don't think that I am being controversial given the way that we act towards children, i.e. with a thorough paternalism in which we prevent them from engaging in certain activities (say, swimming in deep surf when unable to tread water, touching hot stove tops, driving in the CBD during rush hour) with their 'best interests' in mind, or something of this variety.

 

[katie tully]

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[katie tully]

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What do you see as being euthanasia/What is your understanding of what it means?

What, if any, circumstances do you think should justify someone having it, and how should they have it?

What, if any, are the circumstances in which you would give someone euthanasia?

1. I see it as the right for a consenting adult to terminate their life in an environment that is dignified and free of error. Of course these people have the option of doing this in their own home (granted they are able bodied enough to do so), but home suicide options can result in botched errors that leave the person worse off than before the attempt.

It also absolves those family members who assist with the suicide from legal ramifications

2. Terminal illnesses for assisted suicide. Anybody else can neck themselves whenever they want, as far as I'm concerned. But people with terminal illnesses often lack the ability (either though incapacitation, or whatever) to die quietly and with dignity.

Example; my next door neighbour was a spritely 77 year old until 6 months ago. He had a tumor taken out of his leg and then had lymph nodes taken out of his groin which lead to severe lymphedema and the loss of mobility. He was subsequently diagnosed with a secondary cancer and spent the last 3 months of his life begging his wife to just let him take all his medication and not wake up.

If it were me, I would have accidentally left the medication on the bench. Whoops. Unfortunately this could lead to error and not death, and in this case, this guy should have had the option to die quicky, without error and far away enough from his actual death so that he had the ability to still say goodbye etc

3. See the previous two posts.

 

[katie tully]

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For the same reason I would stop a friend from cutting off a limb, trying to fly from their balcony, branding themself with an esoteric symbol, or similar, in the midst of an exteme manic, depressive or psychotic episode. I assume that there exists some semblance of a stable personal core which can be disrupted, and that such acts constitute a form of self-harm which they would otherwise want to avoid in a typical/normal/lucid state. Granted, 'normality' is an entirely fuzzy concept, but I don't think that vagueness leads me to a particularly difficult position - it simply means that we have to accept grey area cases in the fuzzy zone which will probably depend on ideology and public debate. I certainly don't think that I am being controversial given the way that we act towards children, i.e. with a thorough paternalism in which we prevent them from engaging in certain activities (say, swimming in deep surf when unable to tread water, touching hot stove tops, driving in the CBD during rush hour) with their 'best interests' in mind, or something of this variety.

What is your stance on people with:
Alzheimer's
Dementia (esp. early stage dementia)

If the person decides that they want to end their life before the disease becomes too advanced, do they have the right to? (Given they're not exactly in an immediate threat of imminent death).
If not, do they have the option to decide they want to die - even when periods of lucidity are becoming thin and far between?