Young Liberal / Young Labor (2 Viewers)

[Trampoline Man]

The Greens will ruin the economy.

Indubitably!

 

[withoutaface]

And I suppose wanting to send our society back to a pre-industrial revolution state is "progressive"?

 

[~ari]

haha

 

[Trampoline Man]

And I suppose wanting to send our society back to a pre-industrial revolution state is "progressive"?

Not at all, so it's a good thing no-one's proposing it.

 

[Lyn Allison]

I don't see the point of Labor vs Liberals arguments, they're both conservative parties. At least include the Greens, the only progressive party left in Australian politics.

A pretty useless progressive party to be honest.
Check out one of my videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E47TunVvz4I

Senator Lyn Allison
Australian Democrats Parliamentary Leader
Senator for Victoria

 

[withoutaface]

Not at all, so it's a good thing no-one's proposing it.

I'd say that bumping down greenhouse emissions by 90% per capita (what would happen with a 60% overall reduction) would come pretty close.

The use of the word 'progressive' as a synonym for 'left wing' is a misnomer. Consider that the Liberal party is the 'progressive' party in terms of workplace and taxation reform.

 

[Trampoline Man]

I'd say that bumping down greenhouse emissions by 90% per capita (what would happen with a 60% overall reduction) would come pretty close.

Well, then CSIRO should agree:

In short, argue the
rationalists, GHG mitigation is a bad
investment, the consequences of which
are disproportionately large relative to
the potential benefits in avoiding climate
change damages.

See! They agree totally!

The foundation of this argument rests
on two assumptions. The first is that the
costs of GHG mitigation are sufficiently
large to raise concerns about economic
recession. Yet for several years now, the
exact opposite message has been emerging
from the offices of economists

Hmm...

Stanford
University’s eminent Stephen Schneider2
in conjunction with Göteborg University’s
Christian Azar found that even with
pessimistic assumptions about the costs
of mitigation, the ultimate impact on the
global economy was effectively negligible
– delaying the time required for a 10-fold
increase in global wealth by just two years.

Hold on, this article doesn't seem to agree with you at all!

economic modelling for Australia has
consistently found the costs of mitigation
to be no threat to the long-term growth of
the nation’s economy.

Well, this is most certainly an odd thing for the eminent scientific body in Australia to be saying, if you are correct.

 

[jb_nc]

I'd say that bumping down greenhouse emissions by 90% per capita (what would happen with a 60% overall reduction) would come pretty close..

Don't worry man, if the Greens get in we can have a citizens' coup d'etat and take them out.




Oh, wait, John Howard took all our guns away.

 

[Republican]

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.​

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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.​

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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated​

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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.​

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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.​

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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.​

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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control:56 million.​

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12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are :

List of 7 items: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent
Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns! While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.

You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens. Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson. With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'. During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!​

 

[evry1getscrewed]

Re: Young Liberal / Young Labour

most of the yls ive met r economically liberal. even though some of the yls r conservative in their ways, none of them have ever attempted to shove their beliefs down my throat.

and as i said b4... labor smell funny n the girls r ugly n skanky.
although... withoutaface is quite odd... so the parties sorta balance out which doesnt make ur decision any easier!
lol... dnt h8 waf

firstly, pay no mind to my name. it took so long to get something that wasnt taken i typed this as a joke and it worked :S
secondly, i'm in young labor and damned proud of it. i would have joined this debate earlier but only heard about it the other day
i shower regularly so i assure you i do not smell. nor am i ugly or skanky. people in young labor are normal, believe it or not. we're just a group of people who share similar beliefs.
thirdly, you do not have to be pro-union to be in young labor. i didn't join my union for a long time and even then it was only because i had issues at work, nothing at all to do with being in young labor.
even if you are aligned with a political party, you still hold your own beliefs and being a member actually helps you to change policy within the party. we have debates and pass motions etc on where we stand, so you can actually have a voice and not compromise your beliefs.

so i hope that's cleared up a few of the falicies being put out there. in my experience, there may be a tendancy for certain types of people to join different parties, but that in no way limits anybody should they desire to join

 

[dey-tuk-re-jobz]

The use of the word 'progressive' as a synonym for 'left wing' is a misnomer. Consider that the Liberal party is the 'progressive' party in terms of workplace and taxation reform.

And the 'conservative' party in terms of multicultural legislation, border control, and allegiances with war-mongering nation-states.

A pretty useless progressive party to be honest.
Check out one of my videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E47TunVvz4I

Senator Lyn Allison
Australian Democrats Parliamentary Leader
Senator for Victoria

Wait, what percentage of the total vote did the Democrats get again?

You fucking lackeys, you've ruined quite possibly the only rational party in Australia.

Wait, are you really Lyn Allison?

lol.

 

[sweet_as]

Re: Young Liberal / Young Labour

I would join the Liberals before joining Labor.

I value the freedom of the individual and free enterprise.

 

[jb_nc]

Re: Young Liberal / Young Labour

I would join the Liberals before joining Labor.

I value the freedom of the individual and free enterprise.

Well then, I don't think the Liberal party is for you.

 

[evry1getscrewed]

Re: Young Liberal / Young Labour

labor left, dirty commy

it's a good thing you don't rely on generalisations and personal attacks during debates

Obviously the jokes young labor and young liberal make about each other have no truthfull basis. I think Nolan did an excellent blog on this pathetic brand of partisan "humour."

While you may not have to sell out now, if you want to progress in the labor party you will have to accept two things. Economically their policy is still dominated by the unions. Socially they are pretty conservative, only marginally better than the liberals, if at all it would seem under Rudd. As such, I for one, could not be part of the Labor party.

yes, much as we laugh about silly liberals, i do know that they are people and i very much value their presence in Australian politics as a way of keeping other parties accountable.
Rudd has some fantastic policies and a real vision for what Australia can be. it will take some time to see the changes, because thankfully he believes in implementing change at a rate everyone can stomach, as opposed to rapid change that will freak the hell out of people.
young labor is a fantastic organisation to be part of because it does have the social adgenda (which is actually much better than the liberals) and now that we are in government, we can implement those policies and develop new policy which was not able to come about during our time in opposition (for various reasons)

 

[ari89]

Re: Young Liberal / Young Labour

yes, much as we laugh about silly liberals, i do know that they are people and i very much value their presence in Australian politics as a way of keeping other parties accountable.
Rudd has some fantastic policies and a real vision for what Australia can be. it will take some time to see the changes, because thankfully he believes in implementing change at a rate everyone can stomach, as opposed to rapid change that will freak the hell out of people.
young labor is a fantastic organisation to be part of because it does have the socialist adgenda (which is actually much better than the liberals) and now that we are in government, we can implement those policies and develop new policy which was not able to come about during our time in opposition (for various reasons)

lol

 

[Captain Gh3y]

Re: Young Liberal / Young Labour

Rudd has some fantastic policies

False, they're stupid

and a real vision for what Australia can be.

False, he just tells the masses what they want to hear but John Howard had enough courage and vision not to say, to his own demise

it will take some time to see the changes,

False, the recession will come swiftly and harshly

because thankfully he believes in implementing change at a rate everyone can stomach, as opposed to rapid change that will freak the hell out of people.

False, he started ratifying bullshit as soon as he got in

young labor is a fantastic organisation to be part of

False, you're a bunch of lunatics

because it does have the social adgenda (which is actually much better than the liberals)

False, the Liberals' social policy is far beter

and now that we are in government, we can implement those policies and develop new policy which was not able to come about during our time in opposition (for various reasons)

False, the policies won't be coming from young Labor (or Labor at all, they'll come from the unions)

 

[sweet_as]

Re: Young Liberal / Young Labour

Labor Right you mean

As long as labor left and the greens dont call the shots, Australia wont turn into Kenya

In other words, don't let Australia become like Marrickville Council.

 

[Captain Gh3y]

If Australia turns into Kenya, will we have lions?

 

[dey-tuk-re-jobz]

represented*

Why the fuck do you continue posting?

 

[sweet_as]

well aboriginals will turn into lions once rudd says sorry

my previous generations didnt do shit and im being represented in an apology, get fucked

EDIT: Thanks to my princess Alan

You are not represented by the apology, the government is.

Not the Australian people.