Woman raped for reading the Bible (2 Viewers)

[Ennaybur]

God does condone rape.

" rape all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder"...so rape the livestock and plunder too

You can't get bestiality without best

 

[*yooneek*]

what are you talking about?

 

[withoutaface]

Finally, to show that this site misreads the bible, how come our society, who's law have been based on the bible, roundly condems rape in it's laws. This wouldn't be the case if God advocated rape.

Fallacy. If that was true we'd stone adulterers.

 

[onebytwo]

Damn, well that's islam for you.

SIMO, i just lost all respect for you. from now on, i'll apply a credibility factor of 0 to everything you say.

muslims are supposed to read the bible anyway, so can one of you "relax gun control laws" fools, take out your guns and shoot this confused bum, it'd be a lot easier than determining a jail sentence and having a debate

 

[*yooneek*]

Fallacy. If that was true we'd stone adulterers.

i said based on ...
don't you know the roots of English and Australian history... the roots of our culture, which comes from biblical PRINCIPLES and ETHICS :

"Australian High Court Barrister David Mitchell affirms, that Australia is a Christian nation because its laws and government are based on the Bible. He points out that historically the English Monarch and the parliament are both subject to law as embodied in the Bible. ("Origins of the Australian System" David Mitchell - in "Is this the end of Religious Liberty by Ian Hodge). Australia became a Federation in 1901 and that year the First Parliament was opened with prayer as the government established its authority under God. This was the actual prayer that was read on the historic day:

"Almighty God, we humbly beseech Thee to regard with Thy Merciful favour the points of this land, now united in one Commonwealth. We pray for Thy servants of the Governor-General, the Governor of the States, and all who are or who shall be associated with them in the administration of their several offices. We pray Thee at this time you vouchsafe Thy special blessings upon the Federal Parliament now assembling for the first session, and that Thou wouldst be pleased to direct and prosper all their consultations to the advancement of Thy glory and to the true welfare of the people of Australia, through Jesus Christ our Lord, who has taught us when we pray to say: Our Father, which art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name, Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven..... The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Ghost, be with us all, evermore - Amen". (Dr. G. McLennan)"

 

[ellen.louise]

SIMO, i just lost all respect for you. from now on, i'll apply a credibility factor of 0 to everything you say.

muslims are supposed to read the bible anyway, so can one of you "relax gun control laws" fools, take out your guns and shoot this confused bum, it'd be a lot easier than determining a jail sentence and having a debate

he lost respect a long, long time ago.

 

[ellen.louise]

God does not condone rape.

Definitely not!

The thought is disgusting!

 

[$hiftyIceQueen]

SIMO, i just lost all respect for you. from now on, i'll apply a credibility factor of 0 to everything you say.

muslims are supposed to read the bible anyway, so can one of you "relax gun control laws" fools, take out your guns and shoot this confused bum, it'd be a lot easier than determining a jail sentence and having a debate

Thank you, at least someone knows what they're talking about

 

[bshoc]

Jee that guy was a:

M . U . S . L . I . M - Muslim for Life and i will never give in.
I Stand up and Speak out against those who Opress.
I take Islam and i take no less.

 

[S1M0]

SIMO, i just lost all respect for you. from now on, i'll apply a credibility factor of 0 to everything you say.

I think i typed that one up a day ago, and GEEZ! Man, that wasn't at all serious..mabye i should've put a [/sarcasm] there. I thought i did too.

But yeah, i've had a credibillity factor of 0 ever since i came on this forum, so believe me, it doesn't matter

 

[*yooneek*]

Originally Posted By goosefraba haha ok. So the bible doesn't condone rape, but it does say that adulterers deserve to die? Do you agree with that?

This could be wrong but I also remember reading somewhere that people who have sex before marriage and people who work on Sundays (as well as some other 'sins') should be stoned (or some other form of death?) Do you agree with that?

You have to distinguish between the Old Testament church laws and the New Testament's...
Israel was a country where the church and state were one. Therefore if u broke the sabbath etc. you were disciplined by the state. Whereas, in the NT theres a separation between church and state...the church is now an international body of people...so the laws are only imposed on the church...in the NT discipline of church members is spiritual not civil. Therefore any church member who refuses to break an adulterous relationship (for example) is disciplined by excommunication from membership.
The book of Revelation states that all who don't turn away from any type of sin to find forgiveness in Christ suffer eternal death, whereas the person who's turned to Christ for forgiveness is given everlasting life.
Revelation 21:6-8
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

 

[ellen.louise]

Calm down people...
Just because this dude raped a woman for reading the bible, doesn't mean he was Muslim, okay?

For all we know he might as well have been Christian.
[Bahaha OKAY i didnt even read the article...]

Plus; he might have been gay. Ynever know.
THe bible allows murderers and whonot to get to heaven as long as they admit to their sins or some rubbish like that, yet gays can't get to heaven.
Unfair?

YES. Christianity makes me sick.

The bible allows gay people to 'get to heaven.' As long as they accept Jesus...
Yes, some Christians are GAY!!! Oh my God!!! Some things in life, such as your sexuality, you cannot help. It's not worse than lying or hating people etc, everyday sort of stuff that everyone overlooks.
Seriously, GOD DOESN'T HATE GAY PEOPLE!

Weird how this became a debate about stuff irrelevant to the actual topic...
actually... no. it's not...

 

[ellen.louise]

haha ok. So the bible doesn't condone rape, but it does say that adulterers deserve to die? Do you agree with that?

This could be wrong but I also remember reading somewhere that people who have sex before marriage and people who work on Sundays (as well as some other 'sins') should be stoned (or some other form of death?) Do you agree with that?

This is old testament. continue reading and you'll find the bright and shiny ending where Jesus dies instead of us and we're all forgiven. Also, if you're thinking Judaism that's fine. But if you're thinking Christianity: Old Laws are out. New rules are in. Much less rules. The idea is to do what you think is right to love God and to love people. *I feel like such a hippie right now...* God gave us a day off the week so we could relax and realize that life is not all about work. If you don't want to take that day off, fine. The people in the old testament took things a bit far.

 

[*yooneek*]

The bible allows gay people to 'get to heaven.' As long as they accept Jesus...
Yes, some Christians are GAY!!! Oh my God!!! Some things in life, such as your sexuality, you cannot help. It's not worse than lying or hating people etc, everyday sort of stuff that everyone overlooks.
Seriously, GOD DOESN'T HATE GAY PEOPLE!

Weird how this became a debate about stuff irrelevant to the actual topic...
actually... no. it's not...

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

As you can see, homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God...however, it's evident from these verses that some in the Corinthian church did practise, yet turned away. It's this turning away from all sin that truly is accepting Jesus, and gaining the gift of eternal life.

Practising homosexuals who refuse to give up their lifestyle aren't following Jesus at all. However, people who do struggle with this as a sin (like i struggle with many sins) and who sincerely turn to Jesus for help to get through, will get through as we are promised that no sin is 'too hard' or 'impossible' to turn away from, and that Jesus can 'sympathise with our weaknesses'.

 

[ellen.louise]

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

As you can see, homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God...however, it's evident from these verses that some in the Corinthian church did practise, yet turned away. It's this turning away from all sin that truly is accepting Jesus, and gaining the gift of eternal life.

Practising homosexuals who refuse to give up their lifestyle aren't following Jesus at all. However, people who do struggle with this as a sin (like i struggle with many sins) and who sincerely turn to Jesus for help to get through, will get through as we are promised that no sin is 'too hard' or 'impossible' to turn away from, and that Jesus can 'sympathise with our weaknesses'.

Right on!!!


EDIT: This thread better not turn into a bible study though...

 

[onebytwo]

Calm down people...
Just because this dude raped a woman for reading the bible, doesn't mean he was Muslim, okay?

For all we know he might as well have been Christian.
[Bahaha OKAY i didnt even read the article...]

Plus; he might have been gay. Ynever know.
THe bible allows murderers and whonot to get to heaven as long as they admit to their sins or some rubbish like that, yet gays can't get to heaven.
Unfair?

YES. Christianity makes me sick.

piss off

 

[S1M0]

i propose we [/thread].

This is all pointless, don't you think?

 

[ellen.louise]

i propose we [/thread].

This is all pointless, don't you think?

yeah... all threads end up like this. Plus there are too many threads going at the moment where all we're doing is arguing over whether religion is okay.

Here is your prize for making your first valid point!!!! *hands trophy* i'm so proud of you!!!


[/thread]

 

[BritneySpears]

Five years' jail for 'religion' rape
June 15, 2007 06:09pm
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A MAN who raped a Muslim woman because she showed an interest in Christianity has been jailed for at least five years by a Sydney court.
As Abdul Reda Al-Shawany was sentenced today, the Downing Centre District Court heard a harrowing statement from the victim, revealing that her shame and fear had been compounded by her cultural background.

The woman, who cannot be named, arrived in Australia as a refugee from Iraq.

But she said that even when she was jailed by dictator Saddam Hussein, she never feared for her life the way she did after the rape.

"It is better if I'm dead," she told the court.

Al-Shawany's trial was told that he visited the woman, an acquaintance, at Sydney's Villawood Detention Centre with another man.

The woman had been reading the Bible and Al-Shawany noted her contact with Christians.

The men told her they were "infidel people" and if she went with them, her killing "would be halal" - meaning her killer would go to heaven.

In September 2002, Al-Shawany lured the woman to a unit at Warwick Farm, claiming to have news about her family in Iraq.

She was hit on the head and had her hijab tied around her face before Al-Shawany raped her twice in what Judge Brian Knox described as a degrading, humiliating and brutal attack.

Afterwards Al-Shawany told her: "Let your Christ benefit you now".

It took the jury less than half an hour to convict him of two counts of sexual intercourse without consent.

His victim - who has since converted to Christianity - wept at the back of the court as a friend read out her victim impact statement.

She said she was afraid she would be killed, either in retribution by Al-Shawany's family or in an "honour killing".

"In Iraq, if some woman has got a problem like this, her husband can kill her, or her brother or her uncle can kill her, without question," the victim wrote.

"They can kill me here too in Australia. Before I'm not afraid of anyone. Even when Saddam Hussein put me in jail, I was still strong.

"Now I'm afraid all the time."

She said her husband had refused to speak to her for months because of the shame she brought on the family.

She had grown isolated within the Iraqi community and feared people "will say I'm a bad woman".

"I feel like a piece of dirt," she wrote. "I came to Australia for freedom and Abdul Reda took my freedom away."

Al-Shawany, a father of four, maintains his innocence.

Judge Knox found the offender believed the sexual assault was justified because the woman was considered an "infidel" for reading the Bible and associating with Christians.

"What he did was an attempt to enforce his religious or cultural views on his former countrywoman," Judge Knox said.

"Such behaviour is completely intolerable and totally unacceptable in this community."

He sentenced Al-Shawany to a maximum seven-and-a-half years in jail.

The 52-year-old must serve at least five years, making him eligible for parole in 2012.

http://www.news.com.au/sundaytelegraph/story/0,,21915139-5001021,00.html

Justice is served. case closed.

 

[onebytwo]

DILLIGAF what you think?


FANATIC.

i dont know - i cant see you