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http://www.smh.com.au/specials/environment/ (many an article on the current issue)

The other thread that I started earlier in the year is not worth bumping, so here's a new thread.

What are your thoughts on whaling in general, scientific whaling, Australia's current position, the nature/structure of the International Whaling Commission, the merits of 'cultural' whaling, etc.

Go nuts.
 

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Im curious as to what they taste like. I think the Japs should go for the "Dont knock it 'till U try it" angle.
 

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Iron woman said:
Im curious as to what they taste like. I think the Japs should go for the "Dont knock it 'till U try it" angle.
But then they also come from the same continent as this:
'PENIS WINE' PROMISES POTENCY, BUT IT CAN KILL, LCBO
WARNS
June 25, 1997
Ottawa Citizen
Carolyn Abraham
TORONTO -- A story examining the dangers of consuming bootleg liquor, in
particular, "Three Penis Wine" from mainland China which, according to the
Liquor Control Board of Ontario, could kill you. George J. Soleas, quality
assurance director in charge of the LCBO's testing labs was quoted as saying,
"It could kill people over time, have a chronic effect. It's all written in Chinese
and so people don't know what it is." This wine is among the bootlegged
products targeted by a joint-forces investigations unit launched yesterday to halt
the flow of illegal booze in Ontario which is estimated to have cost the LCBO
$644 million last year in lost revenue. The story quotes LCBO Chair Andrew
Brandt, "Many people are dumping these products down their throat when the
fact is the product is so unhealthy we won't even dump this down the sewers."
The story goes on to say that testing of these products has identified such
deadly ingredients as rat poisoning, cleansers, and lead. The article recalls an
incident in March in which a bad batch of moonshine killed three people in
Iroquois Falls, northeast of Timmins, and another three were hospitalized with
methyl alcohol poisoning. To combat the problem of consuming these products
by the Chinese community, the article reports that the LCBO is producing
pamphlets in English and Chinese to educate consumers and merchants about
the dangers of such products as "Three Penis Wine." The article concludes by
examining the fact that investigators can encounter cultural minefields while
conducting raids of suspect establishments such as Chinese shops.
EDIT: Article relevant because three penis wine has deer, dog and dolphin (ie closely related to whales) penii in it.
 
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Not China, calculon :(. The reds will be crawling from all corners of the woodwork, now.

The rationale for scientific whaling doesn't seem to make much sense to me, especially when we have been told that the Japanese whaling bodies are largely unwilling to release their data and publish discussions regarding what they have in credible (i.e., peer-reviewed) journals. Then there is also the fact that quite a bit of data can be generated from sampling techniques that don't involve the harpooning of an animal in an inhumane manner, too.
 

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withoutaface said:
But then they also come from the same continent as this:


EDIT: Article relevant because three penis wine has deer, dog and dolphin (ie closely related to whales) penii in it.
I see no relationship whatsoever between home made "snake oil" viagra and whale hunting....

Back on topic, who cares that much about whales? The japanese currently chop up heaps of dolphins as whale meat substitutes and if whaling was banned they would just ramp up dolphin hunting by 1000 times

Up to 22,000 dolphins, porpoises and small whales are brutally killed each year by Japanese fishermen in three different hunts. In the last two decades, over 400,000 dolphins and small whales have been killed in and around the coast of Japan, for human food, pet food and fertilizer. The small cetacean species that are exploited in Japan’s ‘drive’ hunts, ‘hand-harpoon’ hunts and ‘Small Type Coastal Whaling’ include the Dall’s porpoise, Risso’s dolphin, bottlenose dolphin, short-finned pilot whale, striped dolphin, spotted dolphin, false killer whale and Baird’s beaked whale.

In Japan’s drive hunts, hundreds of small whales and dolphins may be rounded up and driven into a cove where they are butchered with knives. Some are spared the knife, but are selected by representatives of the aquarium and public display industry for future performances or swim-with-the-dolphin programs. In this way, the captivity industry provides additional financial motivation for these kills which have to be subsidized by the government in order to continue.

Besides the crude and inherently cruel methods used in Japan’s dolphin hunts, they are also probably profoundly unsustainable. They defy the repeated recommendations of the International Whaling Commission (IWC) and its Scientific Committee and even contradict the Government of Japan’s frequently stated claim that it pursues a policy of ‘sustainable utilization of marine resources’. Furthermore, the meat and blubber from the dolphins taken in these drives are highly polluted with mercury and organic contaminants like PCBs, and pose a risk to those who consume the meat.
yum yum fresh dolphin harvest

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/974656.stm
 
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Apparently human fat isnt very tasty
 

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"Furthermore, the meat and blubber from the dolphins taken in these drives are highly polluted with mercury and organic contaminants like PCBs, and pose a risk to those who consume the meat."

So is whale meat, like 10000% the recommended limit of Hg.

If the Japanese are so hung up on tradition of whaling, why not revert to the het and hand-harpoon methods of their forefathers? You can't tell me that explosive and cold harpoons appear all through their nation's history.
 

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figure a way to farm them? tat would be lik 100 times easier..
 

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Countries should be allowed to kill as many whales as they like for scientific research. But the countries against it should get to supply people to ensure they are actually used for research and then destroyed and not eaten. So then they will have to say "we want to eat them" instead of hiding behind a bunch of bullshit.
 

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Whale, it tastes just like beef!

Acts like this make a complete mockery of the 'scientific' programme, and if it tastes just like beef then surely nobody would complain if a beef-based substitute for whale meat was introduced (most people are more than capable of accepting beef substitutes, after all).

It tasting like beef is kind of strange, though. I would have thought that the meat would taste like chicken, given that that is meant to be the universal taste :p.
 

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Tonight, the ABC's Four Corners programme will discuss Japan's practice of vote-buying through aid exchanges for support at the International Whaling Commission. Some may find the broadcast interesting, so I bumped this thread.
 

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SAVE THE WHALES! HUG A TREE! GO VEGO! Oops... thats me... I'll be quite now.

Seriously, save the whales :)
 

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yeah im watching four corners at the moment.

Quite appaluing how Japan just basically buys the votes with aid.

It makes a mockery of the aims of the commision. Like they said in the story....Its not about the whales, or conservation, its just about who can get the numbers.
 

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