UNSW Law/Commerce vs UTS Law/Business - Transfer questions included (2 Viewers)

[Dr.Dan]

Macq has an excellent business faculty as well as law. I strongly recommend it.

The only downside is the location which makes all the difference; particularly if you are travelling 3-5 days a week which most first years end up doing because of the course structure.

Location makes a lot of difference.

Honestly, your best bet would be UTS/USYD/UNSW first then MacQ. You can be successful no matter which one you go to however these little things like location, teaching methods and course practicality make all the difference.

 

[Dr.Dan]

@Dr Dan would you know from experience if employers value Commerce/Laws graduates from Macquarie since its ranked lower than USYD & UNSW but higher than UTS. Most lawyers I've met have graduated from that exact degree. Just wondering whether I should take that offer Commerce/Law at MQU or Business/Law at UTS?

Cheers

Honestly, it won't make that much of a difference.

I can't comment on the teaching styles of Law at Macquarie. Check how long that degree is also, I've heard something about it being longer. Macq is also much harder to get to unless you live right near it.
Petrol everyday/most days and increase travel time are a pain in the ass - you will grow to hate uni because of it. Then again it may not be an issue for you.

On the other side of the argument, if you already have the UTS offer then I strongly recommend that degree.
It is well regarded in the business faculty as well as among employers and the law faculty has a lot of connections with smaller legal practitioners for degree relevant experience during study.

just be prepared to study hard as the law degree is a lot more challenging, particularly if you are interested in specialising in a challenging business major e.g. accounting/finance.
That degree combination is lethal in the workforce. You can go into several types of litigation and earn big $$

Good thing about UTS law is that you do not have to go to the college of law, which can save you a few amount of months
Also, UTS is getting there as mentioned, so I would take this path.

100%.

Just DONT go to UWS law. I can't recall the amount of times I've spoken with startup firms/ big law companies/ mates with managerial positions at top law firms who have said to me they never accept UWS law grads. Apparently has something to do with the way it's taught and the ease of which students can pass the subjects.

Id rather do the commerce at UNSW. If you dont get into through the transfer, UNSW has a great JD program.

I don't recommend transferring. You typically want to graduate as early as possible or focus on getting some degree relevant experience rather than wasting your time being dissatisfied with the university. If you do however intend on transferring then I recommend doing it in your first semester/year at the max.

 

[emilychow16]

But with a twist. I'd say this is a somewhat unique situation.

Basically, with my ATAR I can get into the double degree of B Business/B Law combined at UTS next year straight away. At UNSW, however, I cannot enter into the double degree of B Com/B Law immediately as my ATAR is not high enough. I can however enter into the B Commerce without the Law double. The plan would be to transfer in the second year at UNSW internally into a double degree of Law/Com second year.

The predicament I face is slightly complex. Basically, the decision comes down to a few questions.

a) Which is the 'better' uni in terms of the two faculties of Business and Law? (i.e. Vocational prospects, prestige, reputation, teaching, recognition etc etc)

b) If the answer to a) is an unequivocal "UNSW!" then how hard is it to transfer second year internally to turn my B Com into a B Law/B Com combined? What marks would be needed first year? Distinction average or credit average... or? Is there a risk involved in pursuing this or is it relatively easy to attain the marks to do the transfer? The twist is that I am not great at maths, I only did General Maths. I got 92... but it's still General. How hard is the compulsory stats first year, and can you tailor the Commerce degree to reduce the harder maths components to virtual non-existence? I think the major I would do in my Com degree would be Accounting or Economics... is there a way to do either (and if so which one more so) with not so much maths? I ask because if the maths is too hard then obviously I wouldn't get the D average or whatever it is and thus my transfer would be ruined. Thus what type of risk do I face? I guess it's the certainty of starting my double degree with no need to transfer at UTS vs. the reward of risking going to UNSW needing a transfer but for a better and more thorough experience at Uni and in the future through my degree? I guess the big question in this then, is: how hard is the maths?

c) In terms of social life, etc? I mean, convenience wise I live very close to UNSW. What about fees? Are they similar?

Thanks guys. Really appreciate your time.

EDIT: d) Also, would I lose time (i.e. take longer to complete the double degree) if I pursued the UNSW venture as opposed to going to UTS?

hey, just wondering what you ended up doing and whether you are happy with your choice? I am facing the same dilemma now. My estimated ATAR is only just over 99 and so I am deciding between just going into commerce/law at macquarie or UTS, or doing commerce at unsw/usyd then transferring.

 

[emilychow16]

and also i heard of the new law entrance test introduced at unsw for 2017 so idk if it's too risky to do commerce and transfer at unsw

 

[isildurrrr1]

hey, just wondering what you ended up doing and whether you are happy with your choice? I am facing the same dilemma now. My estimated ATAR is only just over 99 and so I am deciding between just going into commerce/law at macquarie or UTS, or doing commerce at unsw/usyd then transferring.

get some EAS and you should be able to get into unsw law.

to be honest only study law if YOU ARE REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. a lot of the undergrad law kiddies drop out because they realize the amount of work they have to put in and look at their other classmates actually having a life outside law.

only benefit being a law student is that you can smugly tell people you study 'law' and treat everyone else like a pleb.

 

[mrshandil]

and also i heard of the new law entrance test introduced at unsw for 2017 so idk if it's too risky to do commerce and transfer at unsw

UNSW Internal Transfers are not required to sit the LAT. (Source: LAT Video)

 

[si2136]

UNSW Internal Transfers are not required to sit the LAT. (Source: LAT Video)

That's true, and I find that BS, because other uni transfers need to do it