Indian Princess said:
The coasts were given to jews because arabs don't want the coast and they don't know how to surf the waves of the beautiful beaches of israel and they are scared of water therefore those lands were given to Israel who can turn it into a beautiful cosmopolitan holiday resorts and cities. Arabs are given the fertile lands of jordan river valley where they can continue the only occupation known to them animal grazing and farming. That is fair. Israel does not celebrate bombing of King David Hotel on national or government level. It is celebrated by certain section of society particularly ultra orthodox in their own capcity with no involvment of Israeli Government whatsoever. Furthermore, King David Hotel bombing did not target Arabs. It targeted the British Military and Administration. Furthermore I saw arabs celebrating the death of 1200 lebs , cheering and dancing on the street of beirut.
Basically you are going on about your social Darwinist view of the world again. That the Jewish people are simply more advanced and know better than the Arabs, that they are superior. I can tell you that if you go to places such as Baghdad before the wars, you will find that we can actually be quite advanced.
jews lived in Israel 3000 years ago, 2000 years ago, 1000 years ago, 500 years ago, 100 years ago, 50 years ago, and still lives there today. Therefore they are the only indigenous people of Israel.
You simply keep avoiding what I am saying. VERY FEW JEWS LIVED IN ISRAEL betweeen 2000 years ago up until 150 years ago. They had left it, there was a very small number of them. Before 1890, the number was about 20 000.
Maori are indigenous because there are no other people who live in New Zealand before them. Similarly, Jews are indigenous of Israel because they lived there since 3000 years ago, continously and there are no other ethnic group that lived in Israel continously, all other tribe canaanites, edomite, hit, philistine were long gone and they don't even exist anymore. Arabs are just visitors who happen to stay long term.
Wrong buddy, there were people in New Zealand before the Maori. Known as the Moriori, they lived in New Zealand until the Maoris came and ate them all.
It is also interesting you listed Philistine, because that is what Arabs call Palestine. Really the Jews left, looooooooooooong ago, a small, isolated number of them stayed, their stay in history cannot be extended by a thing string.
Jews were majority until arabs arrived there and multiply like pigs as they did in lebanon now; during mameluk and Ottoman empire rule of palestine and Israel. They outnumbered jews but it does not make them indigenous, they are indigenous of arabia not Israel/palestine.
This was a time before contraception, all people multiplied "like pigs" at this time. Jews were the majority until the Diaspora. It is funny that you lack knowledge of a very serious event in Jewish history. Do not try to pin Zionist tactics (the washing out of people by outnumbering them) onto Arabs.
But really, you should remember that they are in fact ancestors of the people who lived there, but were simply raised as Arabs. This is the same for nations such as Iraq, I, on a a completely theoretical level, am not an Arab, none of my ancestors come from Arabia. However, my family has been raised as Arabs for a very long time, so my identity has become Arab.
Whether its narrowly defeated or hugely defeated, it shows Israel have legal rights, sanctioned by UN and International Court of Justice while arabs have none to support their oppisition of creation of Israel. Whether there are Jews in the middle east or not, arabs are vicious people as iraq shows. They are killing their own people, Jordan killed 10000000000000000000 palestinians. Syria killed 1000000000000000 of its own people. Lybia , Algeria, Egypt, killed and oppressed 10000000000000000 of its own people. Lebanese almost killed all of their own people. Whether Israel is there or not does not change the true nature and characters of arabs in the middle east.
We do not need greedy outsider nations, wishing only to expand their interests, to legitamise our struggle. As I repeated, over and over again, if Israel is truthfully only wishing for peace, they should not have declared independance when all the nations around them did not want them to be independant, it is simply thumbing its nose at the Arab world doing this.
Also, I showed you the links of Israel training Kurdish fighters. The fact Israel is there complicates the situation, as it tries to support one group in killing the other.
It would also help if you used semi-serious statistics, otherwise you look like a fool.
Arabs are only viscious now, they have become this way because of the current environment in the Middle East. It will take an Arab renaissance to change this i agree, but do not put sweeping generalisations on people when a single spark can change this.
Yes, If it was not European Colonists hard work you will not be living in a country called australia. This is relevant because Europeans can come and establish a country in Australia, inhabited by Aborigines. Jews can come to Israel and establish their own country.
They are not ashamed to be powerful and advanced and establish such great nations such as USA, Canada, Argentina. Australia, Mexico, Brazil by their own accord. They are still enjoying the legacy of their greatness since colonial times. Brits, USA, France, Russia are those great imperialist powers that are still powerful even today.
Hard work? If you call taking slaves and disrespecting people as being biologically inferior hard work, you should try lifting furniture for a living. European countries are ashamed of the crimes they committed during the colonial times, this is why their empires eventually collapsed, and they are not trying to regain them.
To say that Israel can do the same thing is absolute bollocks. We live in the POST IMPERIALISTIC world, by "post" I mean "after". The fact that Israel is now, admittedly, trying to build an empire, it shows that it is not, as you say "only wishing to live in peace". How can an empire only wish to live in peace? Your argument is fundamentally flawed and contradictory here. Permission to use :rofl:
Israel is NOT complaining, it is always arabs who cry and whine to UN all the time. Just look at this board the amount of thread started by those angry arabs is bizzare. Israel have been enduring ruthless arab terrorists attacks since its creeation and it is NOT complaining, it do what it can to protect itself that is why west bank peace wall were built. Continue your suicide bombings and Israel will conitnue building the wall. Lets not complain
If you had your house taken from you, you would probably complain. If the judge, jury and witness were all friends of the guy who boarded up in your house, you would probably have the same "nothing to lose" feeling Arabs have now.
Also, why were things like the settlements built at all? If it wishes to not endure terrorism, why does it not simply wall itself off from the Arabs, and sit inside its self-built prison and be happy with itself? It is intentionally aggravating and playing Arab politics because this aggravates terrorism.
Kosovo is inside Serbian territory, they are consulted but they dont agree with the creation of Kosovo as an Independent state. Whether Serbia like it or not it will be created in the next few years, as recommended by UN. Similarly whether arabs like it or not Israel was created by UN because it protects the minority jews from the vicious and murderuous arabs who want to eat those jews alive. Similarly, Serb will not be able to massacre albanians in Kosovo again, once the new country is created.
We never wanted to eat the Jews alive, whether figuratively or metaphorically. Remember, Zionism came BEFORE the UN creation of Israel, not AFTER. We wanted to eat them alive because they wished to create a state, they did not create a state because we wished to eat them alive.
By using "similarly" I am guessing you believe that massacres have stopped in Israel? I simply do not know where you get completely glossed over information such as that.
Since you are weaker than western nations, if you do not obey you must suffer. if you keep your hateful attitude towards western order, you will pay the price. You do not reject the presence and influence of western nation in the middle east. Saudi Arabia, bahrain, UAE and Kuwait specifically invited USA to station its troops into those countries. Egypt is bankrupt in a day without american aid. Dubai is a ghost town without its western expatriat workers. Waiting for the west to collapse? LOL Jesus will come before that
So basically you have no chance of ever regaining those glorious days 1200 years ago where you roam the middle east, north africa, Spain, India and balkans and drink the blood off innocent people like a vampire.
Western expatriates? More like South Asian expatriates. The fact that "if we do not obey we must suffer" shows that we are not being irrational and whiney when we say that the West bullies Arab nations. The fact they are picking on and bossing around (to use playground terms) nations weaker than them shows that they are in fact bully Arab states. We're the type that stands up to bullies, we can wait however long it takes.
We can wait for Jesus, it does not matter. Life on Earth is only a drop of the ocean of our after life. Besides, it would do you good to use events that would actually be believed by the majority secular people on this board.
Never assume the West will always be the top of the world. Arabs believed that at the time Western scientists travelled to study in Baghdad. When we developed algebra, modern medicine and the concept of zero. Then the Mongols came and we are now a backwater. The same has happened to every empire. The same will happen to the West.
I knew it all along i'm not racist but a realist
. isnt it amazing muslims can preach their hatemongering messages anywhere in the world while non muslims are banned from visiting those two cities. Why are you complaining about Israeli only road while you clearly have Muslim only City not to talk of a road lol!
We did not however have a Muslim only city in the middle of the West. It is not like we are making Bankstown an Arab only district, which you are not allowed to come into unless you want to get arrested. Israeli only roads are fine inside Israel, not inside the West Bank.
Ther is no propaganda about it, irgun were considered terrorist by the brits and there is no question about that. Irgun does not exist today and Israel does not have terrorist organization independent of government control, whereas Hizbollah are not agency nor soldiers of Lebanese government, they are terrorists independent of lebanese government control. Since 1948 independence , israel does not have terrorist organization like palestinian hamas or hizbollah. All of them renounced violence and submitted their arms to Israeli government. Why can't palestinian terrorists organizations and Hizbollah work with their own government, and work under their own government, join their country's military and fight Israel if they are brave enough to do that?
Yes I am happy because victory is sweet. But unlike arabs Israel does not celebrate war victories, it celebrate when strawberry blooms in israel.
If Israel wished to see an end to Hezbollah, it should try to fund the Lebanese government, not with bombs but dollars, in order to allow it to grow its military. In Lebanon, Hezbollah is as strong as the army. You should also remember that Hezbollah is fighting AGAINST the Lebanese government, attempting to take power in Lebanon, so it would not want to join the army. The fact is, Lebanon wishes to get rid of Hezbollah, however thats not easy. Hezbollah is just as strong as the army.
Israel does not celebrate war victories? All you talk about is how much better Israel is than the Arabs and how it beat them in wars 3 times, it is obviously celebrating its victories. In fact, nearly all countries celebrate war victories, war mongering or not.
So muslim are just wannabe jews? , no wonder they are full of jelousy of everything jewish. they copied the bible and plagiarised it to create Quran, they copied jewish tradition of circumcision, food and such. No originality, no authenticity just a bunch of jewish wannabes LOL . The Quran did not even said jews have deviated and therefore the land has been granted to muslims ha ha. By the way who interprete Quran the way you did? That jews in Quran refers to Muslims? LOL
Wannabe Jews? We did not "plagarise" anything. It all comes from the same God. God does not give people different messages, he gave the same message that was finally perfected in the Quran. If you are going to make a straight judgement on Islam, at least have background knowledge on the religion. No wonder you hate it so much, you don't even know anything about it.
Everyone interprets the Quran the way I did. Go back to your Muslim websites, we believe that Adam, Abraham, Issac, Ishmael, Jacob, Moses, Jesus were all Muslims. Islam as a modern term came about after the revealtion of the Quran to the Prophet Muhammad, however Muslims existed before then, their religion was however corrupted and that is why there are slight differences between us and Jews and Christians.
There is not a single instance in which jews or christians rioted over a piece of cartoon. Arabs newspapers are full of hateful cartoons targeted at jews, america and Israel yet no one give a damn about it. No one lose their wink of sleep over it, while muslims have to kill each other over a piece of cartoon. The News editor want you to know that he can draw and publish any cartoon as he like and its none of your business. he will of course do it again and muslims will go ga ga over it again, making a fool out of themsleves.
Yes well most Jews and Christians actually don't care much about their religion. I know that I would have been very upset at the South Park episode which disrespected the Virgin Mary. I am in fact offended by that episode, and believe that South Park should have not been so inconsiderate as to air it. However, you believe that publishing catroons such as that are okay. You must remember that in Islam, and drawings of the prophet Muhammed are strictly disallowed. Any Muslim would have become very upset at positive pictures of the prophet, let alone negative. Add to that you have the more angry protestors, you have a riot. The vast vast majority of Muslims did not react at all to the cartoons. There are 1.2 billion Muslims, the actions of even 1 million does not represent the religion. Sweeping generalisations such as "All Muslims are angry folk because of that cartoon" simply do not work. It is funny how the countless peaceful demonstrations were almost totally ignored by the media, which would rather focus on one or two riots.
I have no objection to pan-arabism, i am merely pointing out to you in a polite way that it is impractical. Because no one wants it. No arab rulers want to lose their power, and UN is not going to let one arab country invaded by another. Saudis are never going to accept Egyptians as their own nor level. Kuwaitis will never think Palestines as their own, each arab country is full of themselves and there is no Unity whatsoever among them except their common hatred of Israel, even on Israel they can't have common ground , the bible said clay and steel cant mix together, arabs countries will never be united, we will always witness more and more division among them. Still Good Luck.
The UN seemed fine with Israel invading Arabs, whats the problem with us invading each other? Oh yeah thats right, Arabs cannot live like the rest of the world, because we are second class people.
Of course the problem with Pan Arabism is the Arab leaders we have. You may have heard of Steve Pratt, MLA for the ACT. He is a family friend of ours. In the ACT Legislative Assembly, he mentioned one of the Arabic parties he was invited to. There, he saw my family, Sunni Iraqis, the Iraqi consul, a Shi'ite, my fathers business partner, a Jordanian Christian, the Jordanian consul who was Muslim, a Christian Syrian as well as a Muslim Syrian family. There was also Steve Pratts wife who is a Yemeni. He mentioned, in the ACT legislative assembly, how the disunity of Arabs is in fact not as hopeless as it seems. Most Sunnis and Shias do not want to kill each other, most Christians do not feel oppressed, and we do not see each other as different people. That is why we have "Arab parties" not Iraqi parties. We all sat, and we discussed politics of course (I personally had a two hour discussion with Steve Pratt), and we all believe in Pan-Arabism, and believe that all Arabs are the same. It is defiantely not the idealistic fringe group you see it is.
Yes its occupied territories not state
because Palestine do not satisfy the definition of a state by strict political termns nor UN recognition nor any legal grounds. If you look at the situation Palestine always hve unlimited oppotunity to form their own state by. 1.Accepting the current partition of land 2. disbanding its terrorist organization but hey they love to live in limbo and refused to do those two simple things.
1. The current partition of the land is simply unsatisfactory. Ehud Olmert wishes to take the Western areas of the West Bank, bordering Israel proper, and annex them into Israel. This is to fulfil the original plan of building settlements. The settlements were built to make permanent the Israeli occupation, that way they can argue that the settlements are too big and it would be too difficult to move out 500 000 Jews and dismantle those settlements. This is what they are doing now, so they will not even give back the Western areas of the West Bank, or, even more importantly, East Jerusalem. East Jerusalem was occupied at the same time as the West Bank, and should be returned, however Israel is simply saying "no". If it wishes to make peace with the Palestinians and give them a state, it should at least negotiate what it gives and not simply throw a map down and walk away.
2. It cannot "disband" a terrorist organisation. Ismael Haniya is not in control of the armed wing of Hamas, as Mahmoud Abbas is not in control of the Al Aqsa Martyrs brigade. With Israel attacking Palestinian security infrastructure, it is in fact crippling the Palestinian leaders so that they would be UNABLE to fulfil Israels requests. That way, Israel keeps hold of the land and can continue building settlements like there is no tomorrow.
