Trusted Computing? (1 Viewer)

[Not-That-Bright]

This is a technology issue, however I think it has such far-reaching implications that it should be placed within NCAP.

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html

Please read, this is very scary stuff.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

That chip will be about as effective as the PS2 chip was at stopping its users from running pirated games.

did you read the article? It's not a chip - it's ALL of the hardware.

 

[mr_brightside]

did you read the article? It's not a chip - it's ALL of the hardware.

AND software.

 

[insert-username]

Someone will find a way around it. That is, if privacy advocates don't manage to nuke it. Microsoft's Palladium has been delayed and/or scaled back, last I heard, though I could be wrong. They wouldn't bother putting all the new security features in Vista if Palladium was on time and working right ("Microsoft claimed that Palladium would stop spam, viruses and just about every other bad thing in cyberspace"). So we're safe for the next few years anyway.


I_F

 

[Not-That-Bright]

read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_computing

It doesn't seem to be very far away at all... vista will fully support this hardware, most motherboards since 2005 have been sold with it built in...

 

[insert-username]

read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_computing

It doesn't seem to be very far away at all... vista will fully support this hardware,

No, it says that Vista is likely to have some form of TC support. It won't have the Palladium with all the bells and whistles and walls. And in another Wiki article:

Microsoft's initiative is called NGSCB (formerly Palladium). A full implementation of NGSCB is not expected to be a part of the Microsoft's next major operating system release, Windows Vista. Instead, a trimmed-down version named "Secure Startup", which relies on a TPM chip, will be included in Vista. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module

Secure Startup is designed to keep unauthorised users with physical access to a PC from getting at the data on the hard drive. That's pretty much it - it stops your little brother from getting at your porn.

most motherboards since 2005 have been sold with it built in...

In a basic form, deactivated by default (users must activate it), and requiring OS support to run. Again, because it's in a basic form, it probably won't kill anything.


I_F

 

[HotShot]

dont worry they will hack it..

 

[xeuyrawp]

That chip will be about as effective as the PS2 chip was at stopping its users from running pirated games.

'the PS2 chip'

lol...

dont worry they will hack it

I would think that no matter how intricate this company made it's proofing, that someone would be able to eventually alter it. I've never seen any piece of software that was un-copyable, despite huge efforts/time/money being put into them.

This seems interesting, though, in that this company is combining hardware and software in the proofing effort.

Should be interesting -- thanks for the link.

edit: I also think that this is a natural progression. Any company that has IBM and MS as its benefactor is going to be so big that, eventually, it will tinker with our rights. (I can't believe I just used the word 'rights'...) I'm surprised that they haven't moved into a more subversive operation, like having politicians running their boards, judges sons being executives, etc. It will happen though. They'll get so big that the only challenge will be how they can get bigger.

IMO, this isn't such a surprise. I think I'd have to wake up one day, naked and confused, on Microsoftway30928903020 Rd, Microsoftville893298090832, Microsoftland155 to be truly surprised by them.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Having talked to a guy who really knows his stuff (he told me about all of this), they do think they can hack it etc.. making drivers for all the hardware so that it could be run on a linux machine, however presents difficulties...

His prediction to me is that 2006/2007 they're going to be consolidating all of this stuff, it will be slow and no one will really notice, then all of a sudden it will happen. A bit of a doomsday prediction but he appeared to know alot more about computers than I ever could.

 

[icefirecomputer]

Well I think that I am going to stick with XP for a while and see what happens with this newer OS I do not real like it for the time being intill I can play with it and go thought it and real see what it can do. But for hack it I think some where in the world some one is working on it or has come up with some thing and not leting it out intill the OS has been on the market for some time.

 

[volition]

Wow this could really stuff a lot of people over. I really don't like the idea of having to pay for continual upgrades to 'windows media player', especially when it's not THAT good. I also don't like how they're attempting to get us 'locked in' to their stuff. People might switch to linux to be able to have true freedom over their own computers.