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Last month I witnessed something shocking. Rajendra Pachauri,chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, wasgiving a talk at the University of NSW. The talk was accompanied bya slide presentation, and the most important graph showed averageglobal temperatures. For the past decade it representedtemperatures climbing sharply.
As this was shown on the screen, Pachauri told his largeaudience: "We're at a stage where warming is taking place at a muchfaster rate [than before]".
Now, this is completely wrong. For most of the past seven years,those temperatures have actually been on a plateau. For the pastyear, there's been a sharp cooling. These are facts, not opinion:the major sources of these figures, such as the Hadley Centre inBritain, agree on what has happened, and you can check for yourselfby going to their websites. Sure, interpretations of thesignificance of this halt in global warming vary greatly, but thefacts are clear.
So it's disturbing that Rajendra Pachauri's presentation was soerroneous, and would have misled everyone in the audience unawareof the real situation. This was particularly so because he wasgiving the talk on the occasion of receiving an honorary sciencedegree from the university.
Later that night, on ABC TV's Lateline program, Pachauriclaimed that those who disagree with his own views on globalwarming are "flat-earthers" who deny "the overwhelming weight ofscientific evidence". But what evidence could be more importantthan the temperature record, which Pachauri himself had fudged onlya few hours earlier?
In his talk, Pachauri said the number of global warming scepticsis shrinking, a curious claim he was unable to substantiate whenquestioned about it on Lateline. Still, there's no doubt amajority of climate scientists agree with the view of the IPCC.
Today I want to look at why this might be so: after all, such astate of affairs presents a challenge to sceptics such as me. Ifwe're right, then an awful lot of scientists are wrong. How couldthis be?
This question was addressed in September in a paper by ProfessorRichard Lindzen, of the Program in Atmospheres, Oceans and Climateat Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Lindzen, probably themost qualified prominent global-warming sceptic, suggested that anumber of changes in the way science is conducted have contributedto the rise of climate alarmism among American scientists.


http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/...s-being-ignored/2008/11/07/1225561134617.html
 

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What a fucking shit thread.

How do you even get the format of the article to be that retarded?

Special webpage for climate change denialists? Or do you write it out yourself instead of copy-pasting it?
 

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Anyone who treats articles in newspapers as anything other than trash is idiotic, btw.
 

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zstar said:
"We're at a stage where warming is taking place at a much faster rate [than before]".
Now, this is completely wrong. For most of the past seven years,those temperatures have actually been on a plateau. For the past year, there's been a sharp cooling. These are facts, not opinion:the major sources of these figures, such as the Hadley Centre in Britain, agree on what has happened, and you can check for yourself by going to their websites. Sure, interpretations of the significance of this halt in global warming vary greatly, but the facts are clear.
Yes, because a single year's downward trend certainly invalidates a multi-decadal upward trend.
 

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How the fuck did you manage to fail so badly at making a thread?
 

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Kwayera said:
Yes, because a single year's downward trend certainly invalidates a multi-decadal upward trend.

Those are natural fluctuations.


The earth has naturals cycles and periods of warming and cooling, The Socialists are making this up because they want global taxation and expansion of a world governmental body.
 

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zstar said:
Those are natural fluctuations.


The earth has naturals cycles and periods of warming and cooling, The Socialists are making this up because they want global taxation and expansion of a world governmental body.
No shit, Sherlock. However, they are not historically this dramatic.
 
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How fucks like zstar can turn on a computer let alone post on the interwebz is beyond me.
 

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Also, lol, I thought your avatar was actually an insect on my screen. I tried to squish it.

:eek:
 

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zstar said:
Last month I witnessed something shocking. Rajendra Pachauri,chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, wasgiving a talk at the University of NSW. The talk was accompanied bya slide presentation, and the most important graph showed averageglobal temperatures. For the past decade it representedtemperatures climbing sharply.
As this was shown on the screen, Pachauri told his largeaudience: "We're at a stage where warming is taking place at a muchfaster rate [than before]".
Now, this is completely wrong. For most of the past seven years,those temperatures have actually been on a plateau. For the pastyear, there's been a sharp cooling. These are facts, not opinion:the major sources of these figures, such as the Hadley Centre inBritain, agree on what has happened, and you can check for yourselfby going to their websites. Sure, interpretations of thesignificance of this halt in global warming vary greatly, but thefacts are clear.
So it's disturbing that Rajendra Pachauri's presentation was soerroneous, and would have misled everyone in the audience unawareof the real situation. This was particularly so because he wasgiving the talk on the occasion of receiving an honorary sciencedegree from the university.
Later that night, on ABC TV's Lateline program, Pachauriclaimed that those who disagree with his own views on globalwarming are "flat-earthers" who deny "the overwhelming weight ofscientific evidence". But what evidence could be more importantthan the temperature record, which Pachauri himself had fudged onlya few hours earlier?
In his talk, Pachauri said the number of global warming scepticsis shrinking, a curious claim he was unable to substantiate whenquestioned about it on Lateline. Still, there's no doubt amajority of climate scientists agree with the view of the IPCC.
Today I want to look at why this might be so: after all, such astate of affairs presents a challenge to sceptics such as me. Ifwe're right, then an awful lot of scientists are wrong. How couldthis be?
This question was addressed in September in a paper by ProfessorRichard Lindzen, of the Program in Atmospheres, Oceans and Climateat Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Lindzen, probably themost qualified prominent global-warming sceptic, suggested that anumber of changes in the way science is conducted have contributedto the rise of climate alarmism among American scientists.


http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/michael-duffy/truly-inconvenient-truths-being-ignored/2008/11/07/1225561134617.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming
 

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Kwayera said:
Also, lol, I thought your avatar was actually an insect on my screen. I tried to squish it.

:eek:
used to be my signature back in the day. that dude is stealing my thunder!

but yes, thread starter is an invalid blah blah blah:uhhuh:
 

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zstar said:
The earth has naturals cycles and periods of warming and cooling, The Socialists are making this up because they want global taxation and expansion of a world governmental body.
Moreso a widespread public paranoia about an issue that is not well-understood that perpetuates itself, much like that AIDS panic, bird flu etc.

However I won't deny that the existence of global warming helps scientist in all manner of ways, financially, giving them fame, public spotlight, and perhaps in some way, helping those who would like to see the strengthening of potential government bodies. There is much to be gained from milking the half-truths and lies of climate change.
 

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bshoc said:
However I won't deny that the existence of global warming helps scientist in all manner of ways, financially, giving them fame, public spotlight, and perhaps in some way, helping those who would like to see the strengthening of potential government bodies. There is much to be gained from milking the half-truths and lies of climate change.
Helps scientists? Helps the media more like, dude. It's not our fault if the media takes our studies and runs away with them.
 

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Kwayera said:
No shit, Sherlock. However, they are not historically this dramatic.


Lookup global cooling in the 70's, They said the same thing and hyped that up which created a scare and everyone was fooled into believing that the next ice age was coming.


Fluctuations in temperature correlate with the Sun Spots.
 

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zstar said:
Lookup global cooling in the 70's, They said the same thing and hyped that up which created a scare and everyone was fooled into believing that the next ice age was coming.


Fluctuations in temperature correlate with the Sun Spots.
Sun spot theory was disproven a while ago. Conservative journalists love it though.
 

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