Tony Abbott (2 Viewers)

[hayabusaboston]

Re: Tony Abott

The biggest joke. Australia has one of the lowest intake of refugees in the world. Very near the bottom in the Western world.

""Of the 10.4 million refugees under UNHCR mandate between 2005 and 2009, the largest numbers were being hosted by Pakistan (1,740,711), Iran (1,070,488), Syria (1,054,466), Germany (593,799), Jordan (450,756), the UNHCR's Global Trends' report reveals.....

Australia was ranked 47th, hosting 22,548 refugees between 2005 and 2009 (0.2 per cent of the global total). """ You're telling me 0.2 percent of the global refugee intake total is a lot!!! 0.2%!!!! IDIOT!

And now in 2015, with the Abott's goverment's new refugee laws, Australia has an even lower intake of refugees than before.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2011/01/05/glance-who-takes-most-asylum-claims

sounds like an angry muslim^


Jimmies=rustled


Its simple. When in rome, do as the roman's do. Do refugees coming to australia abide by that stupidly simple principle? do they assimilate? Some do sure, but most NOPE.



We have a lower refugee intake yes and IS THAT CAUSING ANY PROBLEMS FOR THE AUSTRAIAN PPL?? Like you are literally saying that is a fucking big problem not having refugees. Wow. My golly gosh my quality of life is absolutely ruined not having refugees around. M8. A lot of them ARE the problem.


On the treatment of them in detention centres, is it not obvious that if u dont fucking like it go back to where you came from? You say you're coming here from persecution and violence, then surely WHATEVER conditions you have to endure are not REMOTELY close to what you would endure back in your own country or most places around the world? Sure australian detention centres may not have AMAZING conditions but its infinitely better than what you would get in so many places around the world its not funny. So you just cannot complain man farout. And refugees are not in a fucking position to DEMAND anything either. That is horrific, the arrogance of so many refugees thinking "FUCK YOU I WILL BEAT PPL UP AND CAUSE AS MUCH SHIT AS I CAN UNTIL YOU GIVE ME WHAT I WANT". How about putting you to sleep with fish?


The principles are so stupidly basic and yet they are not followed. And yet somehow, still, australian and global media instantly vilifies ANYONE who complains about it. You are labelled an ignorant racist bigot. The stupidity maang -_-

 

[INADIKAP95]

Re: Tony Abott

sounds like an angry muslim^


Jimmies=rustled


Its simple. When in rome, do as the roman's do. Do refugees coming to australia abide by that stupidly simple principle? do they assimilate? Some do sure, but most NOPE.



We have a lower refugee intake yes and IS THAT CAUSING ANY PROBLEMS FOR THE AUSTRAIAN PPL?? Like you are literally saying that is a fucking big problem not having refugees. Wow. My golly gosh my quality of life is absolutely ruined not having refugees around. M8. A lot of them ARE the problem.


On the treatment of them in detention centres, is it not obvious that if u dont fucking like it go back to where you came from? You say you're coming here from persecution and violence, then surely WHATEVER conditions you have to endure are not REMOTELY close to what you would endure back in your own country or most places around the world? Sure australian detention centres may not have AMAZING conditions but its infinitely better than what you would get in so many places around the world its not funny. So you just cannot complain man farout. And refugees are not in a fucking position to DEMAND anything either. That is horrific, the arrogance of so many refugees thinking "FUCK YOU I WILL BEAT PPL UP AND CAUSE AS MUCH SHIT AS I CAN UNTIL YOU GIVE ME WHAT I WANT". How about putting you to sleep with fish?


The principles are so stupidly basic and yet they are not followed. And yet somehow, still, australian and global media instantly vilifies ANYONE who complains about it. You are labelled an ignorant racist bigot. The stupidity maang -_-

You described yourself perfectly right there.

 

[Kittyrules]

Re: Tony Abott

sounds like an angry muslim^


Jimmies=rustled


Its simple. When in rome, do as the roman's do. Do refugees coming to australia abide by that stupidly simple principle? do they assimilate? Some do sure, but most NOPE.



We have a lower refugee intake yes and IS THAT CAUSING ANY PROBLEMS FOR THE AUSTRAIAN PPL?? Like you are literally saying that is a fucking big problem not having refugees. Wow. My golly gosh my quality of life is absolutely ruined not having refugees around. M8. A lot of them ARE the problem.


On the treatment of them in detention centres, is it not obvious that if u dont fucking like it go back to where you came from? You say you're coming here from persecution and violence, then surely WHATEVER conditions you have to endure are not REMOTELY close to what you would endure back in your own country or most places around the world? Sure australian detention centres may not have AMAZING conditions but its infinitely better than what you would get in so many places around the world its not funny. So you just cannot complain man farout. And refugees are not in a fucking position to DEMAND anything either. That is horrific, the arrogance of so many refugees thinking "FUCK YOU I WILL BEAT PPL UP AND CAUSE AS MUCH SHIT AS I CAN UNTIL YOU GIVE ME WHAT I WANT". How about putting you to sleep with fish?


The principles are so stupidly basic and yet they are not followed. And yet somehow, still, australian and global media instantly vilifies ANYONE who complains about it. You are labelled an ignorant racist bigot. The stupidity maang -_-

I dont really want to get too much into this - there is a lot more better stuff that i could be doing - so ill try make it brief

Not having refugees is not causing problems to Australian people - which is fine - but maybe we should not be selfish and think about others and see how we can help them? It's great and all to keep ourselves happy, but seeing as we are already mostly (unfortunately not as many indigenous people ) doing quite well off in our country, why dont we be kind and help some people out. They are definitely going through a much harder time than we are.

And about the detention centres being bad and stuff, and them going back to where they came from - we have obligations to taking them in as refugees to take care of them to an extent. We have to at LEAST uphold their human rights. These are rights that EVERYONE in the world is meant to have, but sadly not all of us do. This is why people fled their countries, because they had their human rights violated and are looking for asylum and a safe place. They have every right to demand for better care that does not violate human rights!! here they are if you want a refresh: http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/edumat/hreduseries/hereandnow/Part-5/8_udhr-abbr.htm
Sadly several of our detention centres do not uphold these basic rights that everyone deserves. Child abuse, rape and violence can be quite common - and it should not be this way. Recently a law was passed that prohibited doctors and specialists to inform anyone when they found evidence of child abuse or serious mental health issues (like being suicidal). What the refugees want is to be treated with respect as a fucking human being.

 

[RenegadeMx]

Re: Tony Abott

I dont really want to get too much into this - there is a lot more better stuff that i could be doing - so ill try make it brief

Not having refugees is not causing problems to Australian people - which is fine - but maybe we should not be selfish and think about others and see how we can help them? It's great and all to keep ourselves happy, but seeing as we are already mostly (unfortunately not as many indigenous people ) doing quite well off in our country, why dont we be kind and help some people out. They are definitely going through a much harder time than we are.

And about the detention centres being bad and stuff, and them going back to where they came from - we have obligations to taking them in as refugees to take care of them to an extent. We have to at LEAST uphold their human rights. These are rights that EVERYONE in the world is meant to have, but sadly not all of us do. This is why people fled their countries, because they had their human rights violated and are looking for asylum and a safe place. They have every right to demand for better care that does not violate human rights!! here they are if you want a refresh: http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/edumat/hreduseries/hereandnow/Part-5/8_udhr-abbr.htm
Sadly several of our detention centres do not uphold these basic rights that everyone deserves. Child abuse, rape and violence can be quite common - and it should not be this way. Recently a law was passed that prohibited doctors and specialists to inform anyone when they found evidence of child abuse or serious mental health issues (like being suicidal). What the refugees want is to be treated with respect as a fucking human being.

should implement a kill on sight order like many other countries do and just sink them all, just be glad australia isnt doing this if you really care about basic human rights

 

[RenegadeMx]

soon this will be australia as well

 

[wannaspoon]

First thing that comes to mind with any politician

 

[Green Yoda]

fucktard

 

[dan964]

@hayabusaboston

you are assuming that they are all Muslims on boats it seems to be implying...
or that because they are a different culture they cannot come to Australia (then what is the point of calling it multiculturalism)

some are [Muslims], some aren't (some are actually Hindus, Christians, Bahai, religious minority, non-religious etc.), some are genuinely fleeing for their lives, some are just are trying to escape the rat-race elsewhere...
whether the government is actually doing a decent job of processing those who are actually seeking asylum in Australia for legitimate reasons is questionable at best, and abhorrent (in terms of detention centres) at worst.
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@INADIKAP95
concerning your link that you posted
"it has emerged that developing countries are the ones bearing the brunt of the problem, hosting as many as four-fifths of the world's refugees."
the reason I quote this is response to your statement "Very near the bottom in the Western world."
In general the Western world overall, is fairly slack when it comes to refugees, in terms of percentages.
this is fairly shocking, and Australia is not excluded.

@hayabusaboston
concerning the quality of the detention centres. I understand what you are saying that they are better comparatively then in developing nations, but then again this doesn't just the poor treatment that does happen or the conditions that are present, they are barely any better, some would argue (I won't because I agree they are slightly better if only just) that they are worst.

@RenegadeMx
It would be funny to leave the situation as it is, except for the fact that Australia has signed all these treaties.
Detention centres and even to some extent, some parts of the prison system in Australia are terrible. Now, in serious cases, the latter would be justifiable for serious crimes. But in all seriousness "rehabilitation" of any sort is a token-word; in the context of detention centres,
"assimilation" or "settlement" is a token word to some regards (as TPVs are temporary and not guaranteed)

 

[isildurrrr1]

Re: Tony Abott

sounds like an angry muslim^


Jimmies=rustled


Its simple. When in rome, do as the roman's do. Do refugees coming to australia abide by that stupidly simple principle? do they assimilate? Some do sure, but most NOPE.


On the treatment of them in detention centres, is it not obvious that if u dont fucking like it go back to where you came from? You say you're coming here from persecution and violence, then surely WHATEVER conditions you have to endure are not REMOTELY close to what you would endure back in your own country or most places around the world? Sure australian detention centres may not have AMAZING conditions but its infinitely better than what you would get in so many places around the world its not funny. So you just cannot complain man farout. And refugees are not in a fucking position to DEMAND anything either. That is horrific, the arrogance of so many refugees thinking "FUCK YOU I WILL BEAT PPL UP AND CAUSE AS MUCH SHIT AS I CAN UNTIL YOU GIVE ME WHAT I WANT". How about putting you to sleep with fish?

You mean how there are multiple reports of sexual assaults and issues of depression amongst kids in the detention centre? You mean maybe the guards we paid are doing jack shit in ensuring security, you know one of the duties we have? You mean how the govt is threatening to jail medical staff and social workers who 'leak' information?

It's easy to sit back and say 'if you don't like it don't come' when most of these people don't have a choice. They have no homes. Their entire livelihoods are at risk. Their neighborhoods and loved ones are dead and they have to get out of a warzone to survive. We do have an obligation to uphold basic human rights, yet we are not. That is the problem. Read ANY of the reports written out. Don't give me this BS that Gillian Triggs is some lefty out to criticize the gov. Funny how she was appointed by the abbot government to be the head of the human rights commission, which if you knew anything is PART of the EXECUTIVE. The entire point of the human rights commission is to tell the government where they fucked up. They're not there to pat each other on the back otherwise it'd defeat their entire point of existence.

Most refugees do assimilate. Just ask all your greek, lebanese, vietnamese, serbian, croatian, bosnian etc or anyone with an ethnic background. They didn't exactly come here because they wanted to, they came here because they had to escape their wartorn lives and a lot of them are escaping straight out genocide.

 

[Flop21]

You should watch 'Go back to where you came from'. Good show.

 

[SylviaB]

Re: Tony Abott

The biggest joke. Australia has one of the lowest intake of refugees in the world. Very near the bottom in the Western world.

You say "lowest in the world" and immediately after say "near the bottom of the western world".

Australia was ranked 47th, hosting 22,548 refugees between 2005 and 2009 (0.2 per cent of the global total).

You call me an idiot and yet fail to grasp the absolutely rudimentary concept that being ranked 47/196 means you're clearly higher than most countries.

And that's even without adjusting for population size!

You're telling me 0.2 percent of the global refugee intake total is a lot!!! 0.2%!!!! IDIOT!

I didn't say a lot, if you had even a basic level of reading you could have seen that I said "more than most countries", which is true.

For what it's worth though., 0.2% is the australia's proportion of world population so we're necessary not taking a small amount of refugees.

And now in 2015, with the Abott's goverment's new refugee laws, Australia has an even lower intake of refugees than before.

Nope, you have no fucking idea what you're talking about, so shut up before you embarrass yourself further.

 

[RenegadeMx]

Re: Tony Abott

You say "lowest in the world" and immediately after say "near the bottom of the western world".

You call me an idiot and yet fail to grasp the absolutely rudimentary concept that being ranked 47/196 means you're clearly higher than most countries.

And that's even without adjusting for population size!



I didn't say a lot, if you had even a basic level of reading you could have seen that I said "more than most countries", which is true.

For what it's worth though., 0.2% is the australia's proportion of world population so we're necessary not taking a small amount of refugees.

And now in 2015, with the Abott's goverment's new refugee laws, Australia has an even lower intake of refugees than before.[/quote]


Nope, you have no fucking idea what you're talking about, so shut up before you embarrass yourself further.
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i lost my sides with the last 1

 

[SylviaB]

Re: Tony Abott

Australia should be held to a higher standard. We signed UN conventions and it's fucking stupid to back out of it.

We should be held to a higher standard but we can't say that we're better than anyone else because that's like, racist and stuff.

the whole asylum seeker issue is mickey mouse bullshit to gain bogan votes. zomgs were getting flooded by refos!

Mass immigration is not 'mickey mouse bullshit' and this can be seen by looking at its results in virtually any western european/scandinavian country.

 

[SylviaB]

Re: Tony Abott

by that logic are you saying we should all be cruel, because other places do it, so why not us?

I'm saying that we act to a higher standard than most countries but at the same time are criticized more than other countries.

Though it does mean that we're unfairly forced to carry the burden that other countries aren't.

Like seriously, the wealthy arab gulf states take virtually no refugees and nobody says fucking boo about it, even though geographically and culturally they're in a much better position to do so.

 

[dan964]

Re: Tony Abott

@SylviaB
can you account for the number of countries where refugees are coming from in that 196 figure?

 

[SylviaB]

"Australia is really racist and oppressive and I really want to live there"

 

[SylviaB]

Re: Tony Abott

@SylviaB
can you account for the number of countries where refugees are coming from in that 196 figure?

either way what I said was literally true. However, adjusting for populations more than offsets the inclusion of refugee sources.

 

[dan964]

Re: Tony Abott

either way what I said was literally true. However, adjusting for populations more than offsets the inclusion of refugee sources.

I wasn't questioning whether it was true or not, i'll let other decide that.
(although that said, I think most people can agree that Australia needs to lift its game, considering all this talk about signing UN treaties etc.)

 

[SylviaB]

australia could increase its refugee intake considerably and it will still be criticized by leftists

 

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