The Religious Vote (2 Viewers)

[Henry_Kissinger]

What is 'right' and 'wrong' cannot be defined. Hence the concept of morality. According to social values, Christian-inspired morality is "greater" (than others) because of their relationship with the common consciousness of society.

yeah alright i'll accept that

 

[Not-That-Bright]

that makes no sense

You are right tho, he did say alot of bs for what essentially came down to (at least from what I could read of it)... "Christian-inspired morality is the most popular type of morality, therefore it is greater".

 

[nwatts]

I define morality as not limiting liberty, since that is the value most important to me.

I'm a social contract theorist, so really I don't believe that "morality", or at least how it is commonly conceived, exists.

We are all equally immoral, given the opportunity

That's a worry. You don't want morality to limit liberty? You have the liberty to go to your next-door neighbour and punch him in the face. That's fine and moral, because you've got the freedom to do it, and you did it. (In other words, your definition of morality is laughable - if we all felt we could define our own morals to ensure our civil liberties weren't breached, we'd have a lot more people claiming they had the "right" to murder someone because it was within their moral boundaries.)

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Even when you're being 'moral' you are doing so because it's what you want to do.

 

[Henry_Kissinger]

That's a worry. You don't want morality to limit liberty? You have the liberty to go to your next-door neighbour and punch him in the face. That's fine and moral, because you've got the freedom to do it, and you did it. (In other words, your definition of morality is laughable - if we all felt we could define our own morals to ensure our civil liberties weren't breached, we'd have a lot more people claiming they had the "right" to murder someone because it was within their moral boundaries.)

i'm an extremist.

so what you described *is* a worry, because I believe in civil anarchy to a great extent.

so it's not laughable, since it is my philosophy.

 

[nwatts]

Even when you're being 'moral' you are doing so because it's what you want to do.

This is not the case for Christians, who will be 'moral' for the sake of their faith, rather than what they want to do. And I disagree on a further level. I may want to kill someone because they ran through a stopsign and ruined my car three weeks ago (true story), but I don't kill them, because I believe it's immoral. (And there are a hell of a lot of social ramifications I don't want to face). I don't want to stand by and be complacent, but I force myself to be, essentially for the sake of morality itself.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

This is not the case for Christians, who will be 'moral' for the sake of their faith, rather than what they want to do.

Well... they want to follow their god, they don't want to do otherwise, so they are definately doing what they want to do.

 

[nwatts]

i'm an extremist.

so what you described *is* a worry, because I believe in civil anarchy to a great extent.

so it's not laughable, since it is my philosophy.

No, it's not laughable, my apologies. Everyone is entitled to their own worldview. Yours, perhaps isn't as practical as others.

 

[Henry_Kissinger]

No, it's not laughable, my apologies. Everyone is entitled to their own worldview. Yours, perhaps isn't as practical as others.

practically, im a libertarian

but watch out if i ever get a ministry in parliament...