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Following on from the last article ^
Release Treasury advice on IR: ALP

November 5, 2005 - 5:54AM
(Full Article: SMH)


Federal Opposition Leader Kim Beazley has called on the government to release Treasury advice it has received on the economic benefit of workplace reform.

[...] Mr Beazley said the federal government argument that the changes would be good for the economy was incorrect. He said the Treasury advice proved this and the government must release it. [...]

"We found out yesterday that Peter Costello is concealing from the Australian people the Treasury advice that he's got," Mr Beazley told reporters in Sydney.

"Costello should release the Treasury advice immediately because that will show what all economists are saying, that nothing in these laws is going to benefit the Australian economy. If this was a great, glowing report on what the effect of all this would be, it would be straight out there."
I am inclined to agree with that last statement
 

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Building union throws down the gauntlet

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Workers need court on consent

Workers need court on consent
Brad Norington
November 07, 2005



BUSINESSES will be able to impose workplace agreements on staff without seeking their approval -- or even consulting them - under John Howard's new industrial changes.

The Prime Minister's historic reforms, WorkChoices, will put the onus on employees to go to court if they want to challenge that consent was given and have an agreement ruled invalid.

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i've stayed out of this thread as IR doesn't yet affect me and all this economic talk just goes way over my head. can someone summarise this in laymen terms?
 

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transcendent said:
i've stayed out of this thread as IR doesn't yet affect me and all this economic talk just goes way over my head. can someone summarise this in laymen terms?
The reforms allow workers to have more flexibility in their contracts, by negotiating things such as:
- annual leave
- public holidays
- overtime loading
to trade for various other things that they may want/need to suit their situation.
 

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Liberal Scum said:
The reforms allow workers to have more flexibility in their contracts, by negotiating things such as:
- annual leave
- public holidays
- overtime loading
to trade for various other things that they may want/need to suit their situation.
'Negotiate', not negotiate :).

Read through the most recent posts, lengy, because I'm sure that I recently posted the link for at least one "IR reforms for beginners" article.

Edit: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17113066%5E2702,00.html (not the most detailed article, but it seems to be a brief yet reasonable account of the reforms).
 
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Liberal Scum said:
The reforms allow workers to have more flexibility in their contracts, by negotiating things such as:
- annual leave
- public holidays
- overtime loading
to trade for various other things that they may want/need to suit their situation.
Just to add to that brief, reforms are aimed at giving flexibility to employers as well.
 

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why does this sound like it's a major change? i especially don't like the reference to being 'competitive' with India and China. what does Howard hope to achieve with the introduction of IR reforms? i personally think we are given too much responsibility. too much to worry about.
 

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i can be bothered going to that site and reading up about workchoices but not study for my biology exam... today. thanks for the link.
 

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Labor House ejections 'deliberate'

LABOR MPs were getting themselves kicked out of parliament over the Federal Government's industrial relations changes to consolidate their power base, Treasurer Peter Costello said today.

He said the rash of ejections last week – in which 18 Labor MPs were thrown out – was just a tactic of beleaguered ALP members.

"This desire of Labor Party MPs to get ejected from parliament is not adding one bit to the policy discussion," he told reporters.

"I think the reason why they're doing it is that they know they're preselections are coming up, that the unions control a lot of these preselections and they want to go into the preselection with a badge of honour.

"If you're not in the parliament, you're unlikely to be able to expose the weaknesses in the legislation.

"In the case of some Labor members it's quite possible they're more productive outside of the parliament than in."
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Insight, SBS, right now (I'll post the transcript or a link to the transcript later).

Hawke is on fire, and maybe I'm slightly biased, but those speaking against the reforms as they currently stand appear to be carrying the stronger argument.
 

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This entire IR debate has become a farce..So over it..

An example of an existent 'workchoices' in my workplace. Firstly, the current award stipulates that I must receive $1.75 for every 6 hours I work as a so-called 'Laundry Allowance'. My employer has individually spoken to each employee to determine whether they would prefer to receive that or free meals whilst working and half-price meals every other time. Obviously I chose the latter. Furthermore, for public holidays our employer has also negotiated with each employee to earn 1.5 time as oppose to double time, with a cash-in-hand agreement. this not only reduces the burden placed upon the finances of the business, but concurrently benefits each employee. Now whilst not 'workchoices' as such, it is an example of the benefits of workplace flexibilty..

He is adamant that the vast majority of employers, particularly in small business such as himself, are not going to sacrifice the quality of their employees, products or productivity for the alternative option. Moreover, we are in a current situation where there is almost a shortage of workers, which most people are aware, and sacrificing one's best employees in many industries simply isn't an option.

It is merely an ideological battle between the spent force often referred to as the unions, and the political right. All I can say is that nothing will be worse than the conditions, both economically and socially, that existed under the accord of the 1980's. As Alexander Downer rightly stated, the 'nanny state' is a spent force and any aligned notion is completely redundant.

The truth will not be known by the rhetoric of :
- John Howard/The Government
- The ALP
- Business Movements
- The Unions or
- University Academia...
As with the GST, the only true indicator of its effects will be the period 3-5 years after it's implementation...this speculation by all parties I'm sure is driving everyone insane..
 
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What is so wrong with the idea of a nanny state of some sort existing to protect those who cannot protect themselves for whatever reason?
 

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