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Jimmy_B said:
hahahahhaha, MSI did the deal. They didn't sign for your club, the owners of their contracts moved them there and once you don't qualify for the champions league they'll want to leave your poxy club and go to chelsea, utd or arsenal. enjoy it while you can though.
lol and if MSI take us over for 150 mil, we'll be in the champions league in no time :)

Emotionally it's been a roller coaster ride for Hammers fans, ever since I relegation and the Bobby Zamora goal which took us back into the top flight. Then our qualification for Europe last year and our good start this year. Now this. It's crazy, wish I was in the UK now to soak it all up.
 

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If Chelsea is behind MSI, this is a devasating move from them. No doubt West Ham will now prove to be a real challenge for just about all of their competitors. It'll be interesting to see the Chelsea v West Ham game.
 

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some more info for u roman linkers
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It is important to grasp that Boris Berezovsky and Roman Abramovich are not friends, they are enemies. Both men made their fortunes from Russia's privitization programme. In return for donations to first Yeltsin and then Putin, these two crooks were protected from being arrested and charged with corruption.

Berezovsky fell out with Putin over Chechnya. As a result Berezovsky fled to London. Whereas Abramovich still enjoys a good relationship with Putin and as a result is free from prosecution. Berezovsky is even richer than Abramovich (he was Russia’s first billionaire). Berezovsky is deeply jealous of the success of Chelsea. His main motivation is to create a team that is better than the one owned by Abramovich. That will be possible as long as they leave Alan Pardew in charge and allow him to build a team around local lads.
 

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Huge day of transferes. I was impressed by West Ham, who are already doing well, but with Tevez and Masch... they're good. Portsmouth also did extremely well with Douala, Cole, Fernandes to add to their already successful list. Huth and Woodgate at the back look very good as well as Tottenham getting Chimbonda, which throw Lucas Neill out of contention, and i doubt he's going to Liverpool with Agger and Aurelio in good form.

http://www.footballtransfers.net/transfers/alltrans_world.php

That's all the latest transfers.

Good trade for Gallas, quality player.
 

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Nah Huth didn't end up moving to Boro, due to Gallas leaving the cuntzzzz.
 

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copious said:
some more info for u roman linkers
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It is important to grasp that Boris Berezovsky and Roman Abramovich are not friends, they are enemies. Both men made their fortunes from Russia's privitization programme. In return for donations to first Yeltsin and then Putin, these two crooks were protected from being arrested and charged with corruption.

Berezovsky fell out with Putin over Chechnya. As a result Berezovsky fled to London. Whereas Abramovich still enjoys a good relationship with Putin and as a result is free from prosecution. Berezovsky is even richer than Abramovich (he was Russia’s first billionaire). Berezovsky is deeply jealous of the success of Chelsea. His main motivation is to create a team that is better than the one owned by Abramovich. That will be possible as long as they leave Alan Pardew in charge and allow him to build a team around local lads.
I read somewhere that Abramovich owns 15% of MSI (probably wikipedia).

Bazookajoe: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=377744&cc=3436

Looking forward to seeing the Toure-Gallas pairing :D
 

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Yeah I just saw, Sky Sports said differently but it appears they've updated now.
Chelsea are really light on defenders now with Huth, Johnson and Gallas gone, so with a few injuries they should be pretty vulnerable
 

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Copious- it'd be even worse if that were the case, for football of course, if not Hammers fans :p
 

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copious said:
some more info for u roman linkers
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It is important to grasp that Boris Berezovsky and Roman Abramovich are not friends, they are enemies. Both men made their fortunes from Russia's privitization programme. In return for donations to first Yeltsin and then Putin, these two crooks were protected from being arrested and charged with corruption.

Berezovsky fell out with Putin over Chechnya. As a result Berezovsky fled to London. Whereas Abramovich still enjoys a good relationship with Putin and as a result is free from prosecution. Berezovsky is even richer than Abramovich (he was Russia’s first billionaire). Berezovsky is deeply jealous of the success of Chelsea. His main motivation is to create a team that is better than the one owned by Abramovich. That will be possible as long as they leave Alan Pardew in charge and allow him to build a team around local lads.
Yeah I do know that Berezovsky and Abramovich aren't friends at all, but why would Roman be a stakeholder in MSI then...? Question question. Also if MSI does eventually takeover West Ham, Abramovich would be in shit if he does have stake in the club since a conflict on interest would exist and the English FA will shit on him, so maybe the rumour is unsubstantial.

There's no way that West Ham can have more pullin power compared to the other major clubs in Europe which can attract Tevez and Mascherano, so there must be a lot of big money goin on behind the scenes. The length of their contracts are also undisclosed, which is very unusual.
 

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To piss of soccer fans :
Jig is up - give World Cup the boot
Michael Duffy
September 2, 2006

MY HEART sank at speculation this week that Sydney might host the 2010 World Cup finals in the sport formerly known as soccer. Despite the recent media-encouraged palpitations, it is not a game Australia has taken to its collective heart.

It's not as if we haven't had plenty of opportunity. Large-scale immigration from Europe for decades after World War II provided the rest of the nation with lots of exposure to the sport. SBS has been devoting millions of dollars of taxpayers' money to promoting and broadcasting it for years. Yet as a spectator sport, it remains a minority interest.

Lots of parents force their children to play football for reasons of social engineering: they want to make their boys more like girls and their girls more like boys. Whether it achieves either of these noble aims is doubtful, but what's not in doubt is the speed with which most people abandon the sport the moment they don't have to play it.

I don't think we should worry about this. If anything, it's a tribute to the national temperament. This was brought home by watching Australia's games and the semifinals in the recent World Cup.

You rose from your bed in the early hours to spend an hour and a half watching the ball move from one player to another several hundred times without passing through the white posts at either end of the field more than once or twice. It was like golf without the excitement.

Meanwhile, enormous crowds of people shrieked and moaned as if in the grip of some drug-induced ecstasy. The outcomes were usually random and yet, weirdly, everyone accepted this after a bit of ritual huffing and puffing.

Australia is not the only country with little interest in football; Americans are also supremely indifferent. A paper by Allen Sanderson, an economist at the University of Chicago, provides reasons for this dislike of football, which I suspect will strike a chord with many Australians.

Sanderson starts by recalling watching the World Cup final between Italy and France with 20 French economics students "who were, in the end, more depressed about the outcome of that title game than they were about their own economy". Sanderson, who specialises in sports economics, found the whole thing puzzling. "Throughout the entire two-plus-hour ordeal, I kept asking myself: why would anyone waste good time or money watching this sport?"

He was struck by the lack of scoring and the "ubiquitous flops that would make an NBA [National Basketball Association] player jealous or incredulous" and the way players cannot touch the ball with their hands and arms but are allowed to risk brain damage by heading it. He wondered why these drawbacks are obvious to several hundred million Americans but not to 6 billion others. He came up with an ingenious hypothesis.

"In our society and our sports," Sanderson believes, "most Americans like to see some relationship between effort and reward. In labour and product markets, we appreciate competitive market forces and incentives that reward ability, hard work and ingenuity.

"The same is true for the sports we participate in and follow as spectators. While we can appreciate the grace, artistry or skill associated with, say, figure skating or soccer, we like it best when someone keeps score. And we like the scoring to have some measure of justice or rationality to it."

He points out that in American football and basketball, domination of the game is usually rewarded by points, lots of them. Over the course of a game, these mount up to a concluding score that indicates clearly the extent of one team's superiority over the other.

In football, "over 90 minutes there are hundreds of changes of possession with no change on the scoreboard. A team can dominate the game, control the ball beautifully, pass with tremendous elan, out-play the other team, and still not score." When they do score, it can be from a penalty kick-off at the end.

"Settling a tie in basketball after 40 or 48 minutes of action by letting the five players on each team shoot one free throw, or picking the Masters champion by seeing how many consecutive three-metre putts Tiger Woods or Phil Mickelson could make, would leave us quite dissatisfied."

Turning again to economic behaviour, he suggests the random nature of football outcomes is consistent with European feelings about equality, risk-taking and economic outcomes. He says those Americans who support the game "are uncomfortable with competitions that produce winners and losers, and soccer appeals to their egalitarian, risk-averse streak. The same crowd usually also can be counted on to oppose globalisation."

Sanderson also argues that men have evolved to have considerable strength in their upper torsos. They often use this in combat, and sport was developed as a way to channel physical aggression into less harmful behaviour. For football to prevent men from using their arms and hands is simply perverse, making it the sports equivalent of Irish dancing.

The spectator sports favoured by most Australians suggest we see things pretty much as the Americans do. This is not a football nation, and the state premiers should think again about their support for holding the World Cup.
I dont support Duffy's view, but i do support the american economists perspective. So i think hosting a soccer world cup will do well in Australia since we are sporting nation.
 

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You really have to wonder how long it takes columnists to develop such astounding tolerance to shame. It's a silly article, and I'm pretty sure Duffy knows how silly it is. Still, columnists have to eat as well i suppose.
 

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What a stupid article.
"The spectator sports favoured by most Australians suggest we see things pretty much as the Americans do."
Then why is basketball one of the least watched sports over here? I also can't see American Football being played very widespread any time soon.
"The same crowd usually also can be counted on to oppose globalisation."
....so suddenly it's turned into a political argument, that all Football players/watchers are evil commie bastards determined to stop America's dominance in the world.

Plenty of other things wrong with that article as well, but I think I've made my point.
 

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bazookajoe said:
What a stupid article.
"The spectator sports favoured by most Australians suggest we see things pretty much as the Americans do."
Then why is basketball one of the least watched sports over here? I also can't see American Football being played very widespread any time soon.
"The same crowd usually also can be counted on to oppose globalisation."
....so suddenly it's turned into a political argument, that all Football players/watchers are evil commie bastards determined to stop America's dominance in the world.

Plenty of other things wrong with that article as well, but I think I've made my point.
american football = rugby here
whilst basketball = netball here.. - shit comparison nevertheless. but the economist does make some gud points, like
"most Americans like to see some relationship between effort and reward. In labour and product markets, we appreciate competitive market forces and incentives that reward ability, hard work and ingenuity.

"The same is true for the sports we participate in and follow as spectators. While we can appreciate the grace, artistry or skill associated with, say, figure skating or soccer, we like it best when someone keeps score. And we like the scoring to have some measure of justice or rationality to it."
i think thats were soccer fails.. it was evident in the world cup it would never in rugby or cricket. its from an american perspective - we can easily distort and turn it into australian one.
 

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Cept Australia's not bidding for the 2010, or even 2014 world cup.
 

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Actually I think O'Neill did suggest that Australia should offer to host it should South Africa fail to be ready in time.

And a low scoring game doesn't necessarily have to be boring. There's nothing wrong with a lack of goals, it's more when one or both sides don't try and go out to win the game that it gets tiresome.

You can say the same thing of cricket. Huge scores, but when there's nothing to play for on the last day because of rain, or too high a total to chase, it's quite mind numbing.

Fact is, all competitions are more interesting when both sides are trying their best to win.
 

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Benny_ said:
Actually I think O'Neill did suggest that Australia should offer to host it should South Africa fail to be ready in time.

And a low scoring game doesn't necessarily have to be boring. There's nothing wrong with a lack of goals, it's more when one or both sides don't try and go out to win the game that it gets tiresome.

You can say the same thing of cricket. Huge scores, but when there's nothing to play for on the last day because of rain, or too high a total to chase, it's quite mind numbing.

Fact is, all competitions are more interesting when both sides are trying their best to win.
hard to debate about boring really up to the person if he enjoys watching the sport or not..

but rumours are that south africa wont be ready .. so idea is to play world cup in Australia instead - that would mean more stadiums have to be built which is the only dillema cos after the world cup - then wat do we do with the stadium? waste of resources we already a host of problems in australia and in NSW.
 

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Tevez and Mascereno break their silence!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/w/west_ham_utd/5314600.stm

In a nut shell :
- Both players have signed four year contracts at the club.
- They won't be leaving in the next transfer window.
- Lets enjoy them for the year and hopefull one, two and three years after that (no one can guarantee that they won't leave in the summer but that goes for all players). - Pardew said it was similar to Rooney's contract.
- Only the press have said this is temporary measure.
- Thinks the fans will be delighted to have two world class players play for us.
- Made it very clear he does not have to pick them all the time (if he was made to he would leave) and could not guarantee Tevez would get first-team football week in week out.
- The black and white of it is we've got two world class players and as a manager he is delighted with that.
- No truth in the shady dealings and only the press were saying that.
- These signings take us up to the next level.
- Not intrested in being just another mediorce club, loves being at the club and wants sucess.
- Tevez and Mascherano are delighted to be playing in the Premiership and for West Ham.
- Tevez and Mascherano also said they loved the way West Ham really wanted them and liked the plans for the future.
- Both players knew we had a great team spirit here and want to be part of that.
- Pardew said both players will be welcomed into the squad.
 

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- No truth in the shady dealings and only the press were saying that.
Well depends on what you call shady dealings. But now Kia Joorabchian, who owns the rights to both players, is "considerin" takin over West Ham. The way they're tryin to hide it is pretty pathetic I have to say.
 

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