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http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11274743%5E1702,00.html

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National...abortion-debate/2004/11/03/1099362203754.html

Family First senator flags abortion debate
November 3, 2004 - 3:41PM

Steve Fielding


Federal parliament's first senator from the fledgling Family First Party today flagged a review of publicly funded abortion as he claimed an historic election victory.

Steve Fielding was today announced the winner of the sixth and final Victorian Senate place by the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) after the 265th round of counting and distribution of preferences.

As had been widely predicted since election day on October 9, he outpolled the Greens' David Risstrom on the back of preferences from Labor's Jacinta Collins.

Mr Fielding, 43, a manager with a superannuation fund, is the first person to be elected to federal parliament from Christian-aligned Family First, which contested its first federal poll this year.

\ Mr Fielding was told the result with a congratulatory hug from his wife Susan, who was one of the party's campaign managers, outside the AEC offices in Melbourne about 12.15pm (AEDT).

The Greens outpolled Family First by almost five-to-one, with Mr Fielding's party gaining just 1.9 per cent of the primary vote.

But in the 285th and final round of counting today, Mr Fielding picked up 220,216 preferences from Senator Collins, to finish with 540, 012 votes to Mr Risstrom's 314,729.

Gathering his wife and three children around him, Mr Fielding hailed the result as history-making.

But it will not give Family First the balance-of-power after the coalition last week gained total control of the Senate for the first time in almost two decades.

"This is an historic occasion in Australia's political history with Family First being elected to the federal parliament in the Senate," Mr Fielding told reporters.

"It's the first time a family-based party has been run and also been successful, so this will change Australia's (political) landscape.

"Already Family First has put families first by having the prime minister already agreeing to make sure that family impact statements are done with each piece of legislation that goes before the Cabinet."

Mr Fielding, who said he would not be a puppet for any political party, signalled he agreed with some senior government ministers that there needed to be a review of publicly-funded abortion procedures.

He did not rule out seeking to have Medicare funding of abortions abolished.

"Our position is that at the bare minimum, that adequate information should be at hand for people to make a considered decision," he said.

"This may include counselling and may also include scans of these unborn children.

"It's very important this decision is not done light-heartedly."

Mr Fielding said Family First was a conservative party, but shirked away from direct links to the evangelical Assemblies of God church.

"We are a party that has been moderate and conservative and I think the Australian people have voted that they don't want to move too far left," he said.

Mr Fielding said he had an open mind on much of the government's agenda, including industrial relations reform, but did not believe Telstra could remain half-owned by the government and by private investors.

Mr Risstrom said the result was due solely to the preference deals struck by Family First with the major parties.

"I think the majority of people, many more people, wanted the Greens in parliament than Family First," Mr Risstrom said.

"The Labor Party failed to tell voters and booth helpers and the electorate that they had a sneaky deal with Family First."

Is this the debate that we must have? I was under the impression that those making a choice were well informed, and that public funding of the procedure through Medicare was not an issue to be contested... This may well be a media beat-up, but do you all think that this may well emerge as an issue as in the US?

I'm not discussing the abortion procedure as such, but rather the 'ethical' stance of those parliamentarians questioning the status quo...
 
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When you go for an abortion, you receive counselling, information on alternate routes (namely adoption) and are informed about the possible risks, no matter how obselete. I don't understand how they can claim that people aren't informed.

On a personal level I strongly disagree with removing medicare funding for abortions, as it punishes all women, particularly impoverished women who would be endangering their lives to carry their child to term. It's not always about 'not wanting' the child.
 

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Abortions are a legal right and should stay that way. For some women its the only option and taking away Medicare will breed a new breed of "Dole bludger mothers."
 
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Haha, I do it all the time, I just wasn't sure if you were trying to be clever or not. It's all goodly. :cool:
 
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I realise this. However

1) Doctors/counsellors (at least the ones who are fulfilling their duties) inform patients of the potential emotional, physical etc repurcussions. That includes the possibility of depression, sterility, internal bleeding etc. Do they now want doctors to tell patients that they'll probably go to hell, too?

2) No one religion should dominate issues of social welfare. I'm sorry, when it comes to medical matters, we should remain entirely secular. I say this as a Christian.
 

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What i meant was they are christain party. So who knows their logic.

We know that their is enough support for women who do choose abortion, but the Christains real feelings of this is rooted in their christain beliefs. They are trying to make abortion a buecratic proccess making it harder for women to abort the feutos.The support this and hide their christain dogma under things like depression and sterillity etc.
 

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I'm sick of fucking fundamentalists trying to fuck up issues they don't know about. The truth is, as somebody said above, prevention is better than cure. Personally, I'd rather keep abortions than have a whole bunch of deadbeat mothers hanging around. Not only that, if abortions were outlawed, they'd just go underground and be done unprofessionally. In the end, it's the mother's choice.
 

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We need a bill of rights.... bloody hell if only our Constitution wasn't so stingy
 
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mervvyn said:
What's the latest in a pregnancy you can have an abortion?
I couldn't tell you in weeks, but I'm sure that third trimester abortions are illegal (unless it's absolutely critical, ie it will kill the mother to go to term). I think it's somewhere in the 2nd trimester.

I personally don't believe in abortions past the 1st trimester, (except for the reasons stated above) as unless you haven't noticed that you're pregnant, you should have made up your mind well before then.
 

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babydoll_ said:
I'm sick of fucking fundamentalists trying to fuck up issues they don't know about. The truth is, as somebody said above, prevention is better than cure. Personally, I'd rather keep abortions than have a whole bunch of deadbeat mothers hanging around. Not only that, if abortions were outlawed, they'd just go underground and be done unprofessionally. In the end, it's the mother's choice.
You're right, prevention is better than cure, in that respect, we should be revamping our school sex-ed classes to prevent women being put into that position in the first place. I'm all for handing out condoms in fact, though I imagine it'd cause equally as much controversy as abortion does in the first place.
 
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neo_o said:
You're right, prevention is better than cure, in that respect, we should be revamping our school sex-ed classes to prevent women being put into that position in the first place. I'm all for handing out condoms in fact, though I imagine it'd cause equally as much controversy as abortion does in the first place.
Um, I don't know about you, but my sex ed placed a VERY high emphasis on the importance of using birth control? I think we even did the condom over a banana thing.

Although I agree that we need to make sure that all teenagers learn this in school, especially those in impoverished areas, as they have a statistically higher occurrence of teenage pregnancy. Free condoms are a great idea.
 

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girlanachronism said:
Um, I don't know about you, but my sex ed placed a VERY high emphasis on the importance of using birth control? I think we even did the condom over a banana thing.

Although I agree that we need to make sure that all teenagers learn this in school, especially those in impoverished areas, as they have a statistically higher occurrence of teenage pregnancy. Free condoms are a great idea.
My teacher used a banana coloured dildo. She also showed the girls how to use a dental dam. She was a scary lady. :uhhuh:

That aside, kids are still not using condoms, so something has to be done about it. They have a new program where they give kids a damn annoying robotic baby to look after for a period.

It seems like a powerful deterrant to not using contraceptive measures :)
 
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Thats good! There's not enough emphasis placed on using dental dams. Okay, I'm a big spanking hypocrite because I don't use them either, but I think it's great that the risks of unprotected oral sex are being at least bought to light.

But yeah, I agree entirely. I think they should at least give out free condoms to schools in low income areas.
 
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