Texts To Use Instead of Pamela Bradley (1 Viewer)

[classics_chic]

I know you've done your trials and everything, but it's not too late to seek new sources, because they are important. I'll provide a list of the ones I know of (I'm mainly a Greece person, but I know of others for Rome, Egypt, and the Near East). Please feel free to add to my list, as it is extensive (for Greece) but by no means exhaustive.

Greece

Herodotos: The Histories (please note: Herodotos is conventionally spelt Herodotus, but I choose to write it in a way closer to the Greek)
Thucydides: History of The Peloponnesian War
Plutarch: The Rise and Fall of Athens
Plutarch: Plutarch on Sparta
Bury and Meiggs: A History of Greece
Murray: Early Greece
Bowra: The Greek Experience
Burkhardt: The Greeks and Greek Civilization
Callendar: The Minoans and The Myceanaens
Cartledge: Cambridge Illustrated History: Ancient Greece
Chadwick: The Mycenaean World
Dillon and Garland: Ancient Greece: Social and Historical Documents from Archaic Times to the Death of Socrates
Fine: The Ancient Greeks: A Critical History
Forrest: A History of Sparta
Graham: Colony and Mother City in Ancient Greece
Homer: The Illiad
Homer: The Odyssey
Leveque: Ancient Greece: Utopia and Reality
Pommeroy et. al: Ancient Greece: A Political, Social, and Cultural History
Robinson: A History of the Ancient World
Powell: Athens and Sparta: Constructing Greek Political and Social History from 478BC
De Romilly: Thucydides and Athenian Imperialism
Taylour: The Mycenaeans
Tonybee: Greek Civilization and Character
Tonybee: Greek Historical Thought
Whitby: Sparta
Luraghi and Alcock: Helots and Their Masters in Laconia and Messenia: Histories, Ideologies, Structures

Rome

Etienne: Pompeii: The Day A City Died
Gibbon: Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
Grant: The Climax of Rome
Grant: The Roman Emperors (warning: popularised history!)
Kamm: Julius Caesar: A Beginner's Guide
Jones and Milns: The Use of Documentary Evidence in the Study of Roman Imperial History
Lewis: The Mammoth Book of How it Happened: Ancient Rome (excerpts of contemporary texts)
Meier: Caesar
Meijer: Emperors Don't Die In Bed
Plutarch: Fall of the Roman Republic
Salmon: A History of the Roman World 30BC to AD 138
Scullard: From The Gracchi to Nero
Scullard: A History of the Roman World 753 to 146BC
Suetonious: The Twelve Caesars
Tacitus: The Agricola and The Germania
Tacitus: The Annals of Imperial Rome
Tacitus: The Histories

(I'll be back later to provide Egyptian and Near Eastern material)

Best of luck!

 

[classics_chic]

Continued

Note: Sorry about the repetition of this post before: my computer screwed over!

Near East

Bregman: A History of Israel
Bryce: Kingdom of the Hittites
Roux: Ancient Iraq

Egypt

Gardiner: Egypt of the Pharaohs (An Introduction)
Manley: The Seventy Great Mysteries of Egypt
Tyldesly: Egypt's Golden Empire

also sorry about the lack of Egyptian and Near Eastern stuff: I said I was a Greece person, and I meant it!

Best of luck!

 

[Moonshadow]

I have another book to add to your list of texts.
For Greece:
Mycenae: Agamemnon's Capital by Elizabeth French
I've also got a couple for Rome but I can't remember the names, I'll get back to you on that.
Good Luck!

 

[silvermoon]

Egypt:

Breasted, J. A History of Egypt
Callender, G. The Eye of Horus
Gardiner, A. Egypt of the Pharaohs
Hobson, C. Exploring the World of the Pharaohs
Newby, P. Warrior Pharaohs: The Rise and Fall of the Egyptian Empire
Schulz, R; Seidel, M. Egypt: The World of the Pharaohs
Shaw, I. Egyptian Warfare and Weapons
Williams, B. Ancient Egyptian Warfare and Weapons

Bradley, L. Following Thutmose I on his campaign to Kush, KMT
Teeter, E. Hatshepsut: Wearer of the Royal Ureaus, KMT
Dillon, M. The History and Civilisation of Ancient Egypt, UNE Ancient History 223/323, study guide 1999.

 

[gemita]

...or you can be lazy like me and just get the quotes Bradley cites and pretend you got them out of their original context.

 

[grk_styl]

Greece:

Ehrenberg, Victor - From Solon to Socrates: Greek history and civilization during the sixth and fifth centuries B.C.


(maybe we can get this put together and stickied???)

 

[launcher169]

Rome: Barbra Levick - Tiberius the Politician
Sir Ronald Syme - The Roman Revolution

Egypt: Nicholas Reeves - Akhenaten - Egypt's False Prophet

 

[MissSavage29]

i dont know titles off top of my head but i can give historians


Greece
- Rapheal Sealy

Sparta
ancient
- Xenophon
- Plutarch
- Plato
- Thucydidies
- Herodotus
- Alcmon
- Polybius
- Tyretaeus
- Terpander
- Aristitle
- Strabo

modern
- Cartledge
- Bury and Meiggs
- Hammond
- Hurxley
- W. GForest
- M Finley
- A H M Jones
- K.J Beloch
- H.Michell
- A Andrewes

 

[littlemissmotox]

Egypt:

Breasted, J. A History of Egypt
Callender, G. The Eye of Horus
Gardiner, A. Egypt of the Pharaohs
Hobson, C. Exploring the World of the Pharaohs
Newby, P. Warrior Pharaohs: The Rise and Fall of the Egyptian Empire
Schulz, R; Seidel, M. Egypt: The World of the Pharaohs
Shaw, I. Egyptian Warfare and Weapons
Williams, B. Ancient Egyptian Warfare and Weapons

Bradley, L. Following Thutmose I on his campaign to Kush, KMT
Teeter, E. Hatshepsut: Wearer of the Royal Ureaus, KMT
Dillon, M. The History and Civilisation of Ancient Egypt, UNE Ancient History 223/323, study guide 1999.

Cyril Aldred "Akhenaten: King of Egypt
Assman
Alcock

these are also useful historians on Egypt
Never forget to question sources and comment on things such as bias of the scholar/historian, and the reliability of the source....some things were written as propogander to make the king or country look better than it really was..

 

[xeuyrawp]

Assman

I'd like to see a year 12 person pick up a Jan Assmann book- perhaps The Search for God in Ancient Egypt, Mind of Egypt, or even Agypten : Tempel Der Gesammten Welt. If you've ever looked at an Assmann publication, you'll know that it's probably easier to understand German (even if you don't understand a word) than read any of his translated texts.

The only way that you can reference Assmann is if you paraphrase his ideas, like his explicit/implicit theology, or take a quotation from someone's notes. There's no way that I would believe that a year 12 has actually read an Assmann book.

Cyril Aldred "Akhenaten: King of Egypt

Yep, that's a good book to balance all the 'Heretic King' bs that's spread about Akhenaten.

Alcock

I hadn't heard of him until I read a monograph which he and Assmann co-authored. Again, he's into psychoanalytical crap and is not great material. I honestly needed a dictionary of psychology to understand what he was on about.

 

[angelduck]

so if i havnt heard of assmann...

 

[AsyLum]

Edited by Assman and Alcock...

Hahaha, oh the hilarity

On the stickying note, I don't know why we have to term it under that heading. It is a skill as a historian to pick sources to use and to explain any reasons for deviations or why such sources were picked.

 

[ancient_nut]

classics_chic:

don't know about the wisdom of recommending Luraghi and Alcock. The book is interesting, but a little hard-core (also, it's a rather large work for such a small section of Sparta!). Just a thought.

 

[rhapsody11]

classics_chic:

don't know about the wisdom of recommending Luraghi and Alcock. The book is interesting, but a little hard-core (also, it's a rather large work for such a small section of Sparta!). Just a thought.

Wow. What a coincidence.

Classics_chic has left the board after I flamed her.

ancient_nut comes on.

classics_chic offers tuition in classical studies, and says she's doing honours prep at usyd.

ancient_nut says the same thing.

Coincidentally, you advertise the same rates and use the same language in your advertisments.

Isn't this a coincidence?!

 

[ancient_nut]

I don't deem that worthy of a response.

 

[classics_chic]

Wow. What a coincidence.

Classics_chic has left the board after I flamed her.

ancient_nut comes on.

classics_chic offers tuition in classical studies, and says she's doing honours prep at usyd.

ancient_nut says the same thing.

Coincidentally, you advertise the same rates and use the same language in your advertisments.

Isn't this a coincidence?!

As it happens, it is.

I've got more than enough students at the moment, and became sick of whinging so-and-sos such as yourself. Ancient_nut is a classmate of mine, and after she sms-ed me about this, I decided to log back on.

Don't be so pathetic. We're here to help people, not to flame each other.

 

[rhapsody11]

As it happens, it is.

I've got more than enough students at the moment, and became sick of whinging so-and-sos such as yourself. Ancient_nut is a classmate of mine, and after she sms-ed me about this, I decided to log back on.

Don't be so pathetic. We're here to help people, not to flame each other.

OMG, You're back!!!!

What perfect timing, and what perfect excuses!

Yes, we're here to help each other, when you flame people for using not real historical sources.

edit: As it so happens, I'd love to have a teleconference with you both now.

I need tutoring in Classical stuff, and I can't decide which one to chose. I'd like to talk to you both at the same time (like Clarke Kent and Superman...) and then I could make an informed decision.

 

[angelduck]

ahhh, the bitchiness we history nerds get into - does it really matter? Honestly, all of you stop acting like children

 

[rhapsody11]

ahhh, the bitchiness we history nerds get into - does it really matter? Honestly, all of you stop acting like children

Black, pot, kettle.

 

[Clarebare]

Can we get back to leaving sources? That'd be nice Anyone got some stuff on Near East? I know I have a couple, but I don't want to go downstairs to the library. Too far. I'll post the titles/authors next time.