Special APEC Laws (relating to police powers) (2 Viewers)

[withoutaface]

Positive liberties can never truly be "freedoms" or "rights", because by their very definition they take away more basic liberties of others.

 

[xoa]

Our government should not fear free expression. Possible "embarrassment" to politicians does not justify the suppression of dissent.

 

[ubernuton]

But, being a revolutionary communist, you're staunchly opposed to freedom, right?

ture communist
not stalinist
we belive in far more freedom than u will ever have

 

[withoutaface]

ture communist
not stalinist
we belive in far more freedom than u will ever have

Rly? Cause I'm an anarchist :/

EDIT: Labour theory of value was disproved a century ago. Get with it.

 

[PrinceHarry]

Our government should not fear free expression. Possible "embarrassment" to politicians does not justify the suppression of dissent.

Free expression does not give you the right to shatter Mc Donald window panes and burning garbage bin.

 

[gsfjgnslkjgbsdl]

i just found these forums and wow im glad to have finally found a place where students follow stuff liek this

IMO these laws are a disgrace and to any of you people out there that can use the melb g20 riots as an excuse you clearly wernt there, sure afew of the anarchist groups got out of hand BUT so did the police, and the police did alot more human damage (for gods sake the mueseum was a police riot!) the media just forgot to mention that part

same thing with the supposed dick cheney riots earlier this year, that was just plane and simple police brutality, its all good for you to type "o yea im glad those dam hippies are dying" from the safety of your computer but youll never know what it feels like to have a girl who is no bigger than your little cousin in size (given i come from a large family and thios girl though petite was in her late teens early 20s) fall unconscious in your arms because shes been hit across the face by some cop who is now laughing about it

Besides last time i checked there was no law against demonstarting and voicing your opinion in a democracy... o wait yes there is (BS anti terror laws)

2 more things all of you people that say "death to hippies" or what ever, your idiots, your brainwashed conservative idiots, if it wasnt for us lets face it youd b screwed and australia just wouldnt be a nice of a p[lace to live in, the rocks in sydney were gonna be demolished who stopped it unionists HIPPIES, whales were on the brink of extinction, who stopped it greenpeace, HIPPIES, they were gonna destroy the franklin river in tasmania who stopped it HIPPIES!!!!!

WARS HAVE BEEN STOPED BECAUSE OF THE SOCIAL PRESSURE WE'VE BUILT UP BEHINS IT

IF IT WASNT FOR US YOU STILL WOULDNT KNOW WHAT GLOBAL WARMING IS!

SO PLEASE HIPPY HATER KEEP YOUR OPINIONS TO YOURSELF

and one last thing, im glad to see the govt is finally doing something about APEC and building a 2.8m wall in sydney to protect its citizens from george bush

peace

 

[gsfjgnslkjgbsdl]

Free expression does not give you the right to shatter Mc Donald window panes and burning garbage bin.

no but mcdonalds corrupt business practices do

your able to kill a man in self defence so thats all we're doing were stopping them before they kill the planet

BUT that being said i would never commit property destruction im just trying tro point out we're they are coming from

 

[jb_nc]

i just found these forums and wow im glad to have finally found a place where students follow stuff liek this

IMO these laws are a disgrace and to any of you people out there that can use the melb g20 riots as an excuse you clearly wernt there, sure afew of the anarchist groups got out of hand BUT so did the police, and the police did alot more human damage (for gods sake the mueseum was a police riot!) the media just forgot to mention that part

same thing with the supposed dick cheney riots earlier this year, that was just plane and simple police brutality, its all good for you to type "o yea im glad those dam hippies are dying" from the safety of your computer but youll never know what it feels like to have a girl who is no bigger than your little cousin in size (given i come from a large family and thios girl though petite was in her late teens early 20s) fall unconscious in your arms because shes been hit across the face by some cop who is now laughing about it

Besides last time i checked there was no law against demonstarting and voicing your opinion in a democracy... o wait yes there is (BS anti terror laws)

2 more things all of you people that say "death to hippies" or what ever, your idiots, your brainwashed conservative idiots, if it wasnt for us lets face it youd b screwed and australia just wouldnt be a nice of a p[lace to live in, the rocks in sydney were gonna be demolished who stopped it unionists HIPPIES, whales were on the brink of extinction, who stopped it greenpeace, HIPPIES, they were gonna destroy the franklin river in tasmania who stopped it HIPPIES!!!!!

WARS HAVE BEEN STOPED BECAUSE OF THE SOCIAL PRESSURE WE'VE BUILT UP BEHINS IT

IF IT WASNT FOR US YOU STILL WOULDNT KNOW WHAT GLOBAL WARMING IS!

SO PLEASE HIPPY HATER KEEP YOUR OPINIONS TO YOURSELF

and one last thing, im glad to see the govt is finally doing something about APEC and building a 2.8m wall in sydney to protect its citizens from george bush

peace

lmao

 

[ubernuton]

i just found these forums and wow im glad to have finally found a place where students follow stuff liek this

IMO these laws are a disgrace and to any of you people out there that can use the melb g20 riots as an excuse you clearly wernt there, sure afew of the anarchist groups got out of hand BUT so did the police, and the police did alot more human damage (for gods sake the mueseum was a police riot!) the media just forgot to mention that part

same thing with the supposed dick cheney riots earlier this year, that was just plane and simple police brutality, its all good for you to type "o yea im glad those dam hippies are dying" from the safety of your computer but youll never know what it feels like to have a girl who is no bigger than your little cousin in size (given i come from a large family and thios girl though petite was in her late teens early 20s) fall unconscious in your arms because shes been hit across the face by some cop who is now laughing about it

Besides last time i checked there was no law against demonstarting and voicing your opinion in a democracy... o wait yes there is (BS anti terror laws)

2 more things all of you people that say "death to hippies" or what ever, your idiots, your brainwashed conservative idiots, if it wasnt for us lets face it youd b screwed and australia just wouldnt be a nice of a p[lace to live in, the rocks in sydney were gonna be demolished who stopped it unionists HIPPIES, whales were on the brink of extinction, who stopped it greenpeace, HIPPIES, they were gonna destroy the franklin river in tasmania who stopped it HIPPIES!!!!!

WARS HAVE BEEN STOPED BECAUSE OF THE SOCIAL PRESSURE WE'VE BUILT UP BEHINS IT

IF IT WASNT FOR US YOU STILL WOULDNT KNOW WHAT GLOBAL WARMING IS!

SO PLEASE HIPPY HATER KEEP YOUR OPINIONS TO YOURSELF

and one last thing, im glad to see the govt is finally doing something about APEC and building a 2.8m wall in sydney to protect its citizens from george bush

peace

your right epecily about the fence

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

It was a fine post until "2 more things'...

 

[jb_nc]

The water cannon is sensationally ridiculous. Where the fuck do we live? Bogotá? Why don't Labor break out the rubber bullets next time a "protest gets out of hand". Iemma is such a tool I cannot stand him. Fucks sake.

Just another measure to quash public debate and civil liberties (yeah sure you can protest, in a cage near Penrith) in Australia. Sydneysiders have more than a right to be pissed off considering of how disrupted our lives will be by this shit and you can bet on it having absolutely no benefit (seriously, what kind of faggot sees an APEC meeting and notes what a delightful place it would be to travel).

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

World leaders? They'll be impressed to such a degree, that they simply will not be able to stay away from our lovely city for any great period of time. Then we'll endure a fantastic APEC weekend a couple of times per year.

Also, shall I hold up a BoS banner when I'm there?

 

[mable]

WARS HAVE BEEN STOPED BECAUSE OF THE SOCIAL PRESSURE WE'VE BUILT UP BEHINS IT

IF IT WASNT FOR US YOU STILL WOULDNT KNOW WHAT GLOBAL WARMING IS!

SO PLEASE HIPPY HATER KEEP YOUR OPINIONS TO YOURSELF

and one last thing, im glad to see the govt is finally doing something about APEC and building a 2.8m wall in sydney to protect its citizens from george bush

peace

lmao yes so true seriously these laws are almost ignoring the fact that we live in a democracy we have the right to protest ...people shouldnt be labelled anarchists and communists (not that theres anything wrong with that) just for taking action against the brutal laws these governernments have enforced. APEC shouldnt even be held in sydney, we have a capital city for that sort of thing and canberra is a much harder target anyway for so called "terrorists".
The police presence and the violence they are "lawfully" allowed to use just gives people a reason to react and be violent. Its a bloody cotradiction using violence to counteract violence.
Its so narrow minded to say protesting doesnt achieve anything because history will tell us otherwise. Its the anarchists, socialists, communists and unionists who have helped bring about the rights we have today people seem to forget this. where would women stand now if it werent for the suffragette movements, and what did they do, they protested, they fought, they were arrested and they were killed but they won. Let people prove their point, or at least attempt to without liberties and rights being obliterated.

 

[Aerath]

Then we'll endure a fantastic APEC weekend a couple of times per year.

More days off school for us students.

 

[Jarsh89]

IMO these laws are a disgrace and to any of you people out there that can use the melb g20 riots as an excuse you clearly wernt there, sure afew of the anarchist groups got out of hand BUT so did the police, and the police did alot more human damage (for gods sake the mueseum was a police riot!) the media just forgot to mention that part

Im sure if this is true than the police will only use their new powers where these groups are getting violent.

same thing with the supposed dick cheney riots earlier this year, that was just plane and simple police brutality, its all good for you to type "o yea im glad those dam hippies are dying" from the safety of your computer but youll never know what it feels like to have a girl who is no bigger than your little cousin in size (given i come from a large family and thios girl though petite was in her late teens early 20s) fall unconscious in your arms because shes been hit across the face by some cop who is now laughing about it

No, I will never know what this feels like as I will not be throwing garbage bins into windows or fighting police. If I have a problem I will show it by writing to the people involved or... maybe even by voting!

Besides last time i checked there was no law against demonstarting and voicing your opinion in a democracy... o wait yes there is (BS anti terror laws)

Last time I checked there WAS a law against destroying public and private property, and a law against injuring police, and a law against threatening international leaders...

2 more things all of you people that say "death to hippies" or what ever, your idiots, your brainwashed conservative idiots, if it wasnt for us lets face it youd b screwed and australia just wouldnt be a nice of a p[lace to live in, the rocks in sydney were gonna be demolished who stopped it unionists HIPPIES, whales were on the brink of extinction, who stopped it greenpeace, HIPPIES, they were gonna destroy the franklin river in tasmania who stopped it HIPPIES!!!!!

Yes I am brainwashed, everyone is to some extent. So what proof do you have that we are any more brainwashed than the hippies?

WARS HAVE BEEN STOPED BECAUSE OF THE SOCIAL PRESSURE WE'VE BUILT UP BEHINS IT

IF IT WASNT FOR US YOU STILL WOULDNT KNOW WHAT GLOBAL WARMING IS!

SO PLEASE HIPPY HATER KEEP YOUR OPINIONS TO YOURSELF

ONE war has been stopped, and we were in bad shape anyway.
If it wasnt for these conferences, nothing would be done about 'global warming'.
"Keep your opinions to yourself"? So you can decide what can be said and what must not be said, yet we aren't allowed to post our veiws on an issue? Doesn't sound very hippy to me.

and one last thing, im glad to see the govt is finally doing something about APEC and building a 2.8m wall in sydney to protect its citizens from george bush

peace

When we start getting bombed by north korea, it is us who are going to be begging bush to give us a hand. And I for one do hope you keep the peace...

 

[Captain Gh3y]

Im sure if this is true than the police will only use their new powers where these groups are getting violent.

So let's give them unlimited all pervasive powers since they'll only use them when they need to

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

Im sure if this is true than the police will only use their new powers where these groups are getting violent.

Speaking from experience, I can assure you that the police that are dispatched to deal with protestors are very trigger happy with regards to any power they're given.

No, I will never know what this feels like as I will not be throwing garbage bins into windows or fighting police. If I have a problem I will show it by writing to the people involved or... maybe even by voting!

And that sure has made a difference for the past four elections, hasn't it?

And please stop generalising all protestors into a faceless, large group. The amount of people who throw garbage cans and whatever is very, very, very small. The amount of people directly affected by the blast from a water cannon, or from the release of tear gas is very large, by comparison.

ONE war has been stopped, and we were in bad shape anyway.

You seriously think that the Vietnam war would have stopped even if there wasn't consistent demonstrations against it? I don't.

If it wasnt for these conferences, nothing would be done about 'global warming'.

Nothing is being done about global warming.

When we start getting bombed by north korea, it is us who are going to be begging bush to give us a hand. And I for one do hope you keep the peace...

I daresay that if wealth were spread equally around the world, then North Korea wouldn't even have bombs. Yay for global communism!

 

[IC3]

do you think during the APEC summit that we'll have snipers up on buildings ready to execute?

LIKE SWAT STYLE?!?!

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

I would say so.

 

[Jarsh89]

And that sure has made a difference for the past four elections, hasn't it?

Haha, well firstly I haven't voted yet, but even if I could I would vote liberal so it would have been just one more vote for the winner...

And please stop generalising all protestors into a faceless, large group. The amount of people who throw garbage cans and whatever is very, very, very small. The amount of people directly affected by the blast from a water cannon, or from the release of tear gas is very large, by comparison.

They use tear gas in australia? And also how come every protest ends up violent?

You seriously think that the Vietnam war would have stopped even if there wasn't consistent demonstrations against it? I don't.

I said only one war has been stopped, so protesting did work, however only because they could not have won anyway.

Nothing is being done about global warming.

Firstly thats not what Howard tells me Secondly I don't give a crap about global warming. You really think us humans are so great that we can destroy the planet which has been around for millions of years?

I daresay that if wealth were spread equally around the world, then North Korea wouldn't even have bombs. Yay for global communism!

That isn't ever going to happen and it is the corrupt leaders who are going to screw with us...

Off topic: Why do you have a picture of Sunrise in your sig?