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I have heard of CP for law and had a few questions;

1. How big are these classes?
2. What are the discussions about?
3. How much do you need to contribute?
4. I am a bit introverted, so how do you think of something intelligent to put forward when you really can't think of something worthwhile that won't make you sound unintelligent or dumb? Because you get marked on your involvement, so is it better to say something stupid, or minor then nothing at all?
5. Any tips, advice or other information?
6. oh and what classes/ units is CP involved
7. What's the weighting?

I'm studying law this year and just wanted a headsup of what is required and what it's like
 

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1. Lectures have about 100 - 150 people in them depending on the subject; Tutorials normally have around 20 at most.
2. Discussions are mostly about the readings for the week, if you have not done them, don't bother going, catch up on work, try and do an assignment that knocks it out of the ball park because you are going to probably have a hard time in the exam...
3. Don't really need to contribute anything or go for that matter (unless the said subjects marks are pegged on participation or attendance). Of course, you have to complete the prescribed curriculum that is stipulated in your subject course guide though...
4. No question is stupid, no answer is stupid, Just ask... If it comes of as a bit daunting, save it for the end of the lecture and approach the lecturer at the end of the class when everyone has been dismissed (Your cohort will thank you for not wasting their time at the end of the lecture)...
5. People are resources, get to know them, they can help out a tonne... Universities also offer plenty of resources at your disposal to better improve your writing techniques, performance, career prospects (might sound stupid, but start on that one early), etc... USE THEM ALL!!!
6. You would have to do the Priestley 11 (11 subjects which are core to gaining admission), core units that the university provides in order to enable you to graduate, some law electives and a couple of non law electives (would have to also complete other syllabus in the event you do a double degree, I am only speaking of a straight Law degree)...
7. Weighting is a more precise measurement of your performance than a Grade Point Average... The calculation is done on your actual mark, instead of your actual letter grade (if that makes sense)...

Hope that helped...
 
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1. Lectures have about 100 - 150 people in them depending on the subject; Tutorials normal have around 20 at most.
2. Discussions are mostly about the readings for the week, if you have not done them, don't bother going, catch up on work, try and do an assignment that knocks it out of the ball park because you are going to probably have a hard time in the exam...
3. Don't really need to contribute anything or go for that matter (unless the said subjects marks are pegged on participation or attendance).
4. No question is stupid, no answer is stupid, Just ask... If it comes of as a bit daunting, save it for the end of the lecture and approach the lecturer at the end of the class when everyone has been dismissed (Your cohort will thank you for not wasting their time at the end of the lecture)...
5. People are resources, get to know them, they can help out a tonne... Universities also offer plenty of resources at your disposal to better improve your writing techniques, performance, career prospects (might sound stupid, but start on that one early), etc... USE THEM ALL!!!
6. You would have to do the Priestley 11 (11 subjects which are core to gaining admission), core units that the university provides in order to enable you to graduate, some law electives and a couple of non law electives (would have to also complete other syllabus in the event you do a double degree, I am only speaking of a straight Law degree)...
7. Weighting is a more precise measurement of your performance than a Grade Point Average... The calculation is done on your actual mark, instead of your actual letter grade (if that makes sense)...

Hope that helped...
Great, thanks so much for your detailed input :)
 

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I have heard of CP for law and had a few questions;

1. How big are these classes?
2. What are the discussions about?
3. How much do you need to contribute?
4. I am a bit introverted, so how do you think of something intelligent to put forward when you really can't think of something worthwhile that won't make you sound unintelligent or dumb? Because you get marked on your involvement, so is it better to say something stupid, or minor then nothing at all?
5. Any tips, advice or other information?
6. oh and what classes/ units is CP involved
7. What's the weighting?

I'm studying law this year and just wanted a headsup of what is required and what it's like
1. Depends on the university and the subject.

You either have the:
Lecture (massive class size) and tutorial combo (20-30 students)
OR
2 weekly seminars (20-30 students) (e.g. UNSW)

2. You'll discuss readings in tutorials/seminars and some lecturers/tutors/seminar leaders may go beyond the readings (yet staying within the topic) if there is time.

3. Depends on what marks you're aiming for. CP at most universities and for most subjects tend to be around 10-20% so it's a significant portion of your overall subject mark. I think a majority of students probably contribute 0-3 times per lesson (in a 2 hour seminar) - a minority will be raising their hands more often. That being said, quality is definitely more important than quantity.

If your class doesn't have too many keen students, quantity will definitely allow you to get a good CP mark (i.e. distinction or above). If your class is a keen bunch, quality will matter.

By the way, class participation isn't strictly limited to answering questions. It can also involve asking INSIGHTFUL questions and building on your classmate's answers.

4. I'm probably on the introverted side myself, but you get used to raising your hands up and answering. I think the best thing to do when you first start off is to make case summaries (as part of your preparation) and when a lecturer/tutor/seminar leader asks for facts, ratio/principle and the court's decision, just recite the material facts, ratio/principle and decision for them (if they pick you). When you build more confidence, then you might want to answer the more complex discussion questions - i.e. ones where you can't just regurgitate stuff from the textbook.

To be honest, I think it's better to say something better than nothing (but be sensible with this - lecturers can tell if you've done your readings or not through your answers at times). Not all discussion questions will be complex discussion questions so there should be room for you to make easier contributions. Seriously, don't worry about sounding 'unintelligent'.

Also, in regards to CP, asking questions after class or via email with your lecturer does not count as CP (anything outside of class tends to be excluded from CP) but it could put you a positive light (this means you could get noticed more, they remember your name, etc.).

6. Depends but for most subjects, there should be a CP component. At UNSW, for example, all your classes will be seminars basically so CP will always be there.

7. Generally 10-20% for CP as mentioned previously.

Also, if you ever find yourself struggling with readings for subjects with heaps of cases, I highly recommend grabbing notes/case summaries from older students (or if you're rich, buying those case summary books). It really helps you understand the cases and if you haven't done your readings, you could quickly skim through them before class and grab some CP.
 

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Also, another big, big thing that can help you if you get lost... Most subjects normally have detailed course guides that are distributed in week one and that can normally be found on the portal... Follow these religiously, unless advised otherwise! They give a good brief on exam content, assignment content, half decent readings that can clarify things that your lecturer has pointed out, etc...

Work on creating a booklet that can give you an easy reference guide in exams as well... (you do, after all, have over 12 weeks to do so)... It beats flicking through textbooks and can also greatly improve you prospects of doing well in an exam...

Also another thing, during my time doing Law, I noticed that people normally focus on irrelevant things in classes (Mostly just because they love the sound of their own voices and come of as having some point to prove to the lecturer to say they are "smart")... If the lecturer says "X" is not going to be on the exam (they normally give you an cues on what will be on an exam), don't press the issue of "X" in a tutorial... You're wasting time on things that will not constructively help you during an exam (and probably not even in your professional career)... If you find someone is doing this, speak out, call them out as being dweebs and get the tutorial back on topic... Tutorials attendance can be the difference between a D and a HD, especially if you have done the readings and can forensically understand the topic and dissect what the Tutor is saying...

You will also find you begin to hate a large demographic of students who attend Law School... (Not because they are smart, not because they are "better" than you... But because of they elitist persona, arrogance, annoyance and general delusion of self importance)... Do not fall into the trap of becoming one of these individuals and stay patient with them... (there were many times where I would sort of listen in on these people with a clenched fist :lol:)
 
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Also, another big, big thing that can help you if you get lost... Most subjects normally have detailed course guides that are distributed in week one and that can normally be found on the portal... Follow these religiously, unless advised otherwise! They give a good brief on exam content, assignment content, half decent readings that can clarify things that your lecturer has pointed out, etc...

Work on creating a booklet that can give you an easy reference guide in exams as well... (you do, after all, have over 12 weeks to do so)... It beats flicking through textbooks and can also greatly improve you prospects of doing well in an exam...

Also another thing, during my time doing Law, I noticed that people normally focus on irrelevant things in classes (Mostly just because they love the sound of their own voices and come of as having some point to prove to the lecturer to say they are "smart")... If the lecturer says "X" is not going to be on the exam (they normally give you an cues on what will be on an exam), don't press the issue of "X" in a tutorial... You're wasting time on things that will not constructively help you during an exam (and probably not even in your professional career)... If you find someone is doing this, speak out, call them out as being dweebs and get the tutorial back on topic... Tutorials attendance can be the difference between a D and a HD, especially if you have done the readings and can forensically understand the topic and dissect what the Tutor is saying...

You will also find you begin to hate a large demographic of students who attend Law School... (Not because they are smart, not because they are "better" than you... But because of they elitist persona, arrogance, annoyance and general delusion of self importance)... Do not fall into the trap of becoming one of these individuals and stay patient with them... (there were many times where I would sort of listen in on these people with a clenched fist :lol:)
Hi, thanks so much for your thoughts, they're very detailed.

You mentioned creating a booklet for easy reference in exams which I presume is the open book exams. Do you have any tips based on how you structure/ detail your notes which make it effective for an open book exam and allow you to efficiently find things? Thanks

I'm not exactly sure what an open book exam entails in law, because in hsc assessments which had some form of open book, I find that I tended to do better when I had studied the information instead of wasting time flipping through my notes to find stuff.
 

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If you have any concerns about the type of persons I mentioned having the superiority complex in Law School, case in point... Parody, slightly funny...


it's meant to hang shit on the other videos, but you get the picture... :lol:

 
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