Should intersexed babies be given sex-assignment surgery at birth? (1 Viewer)

[Ennaybur]

or should it wait until they are adolescents and old enough to decide what (if any) gender they feel they belong to?

 

[Ennaybur]

hahah. But yeah, it isn't necessarily more pragmatic to have a child who is deeply anxious because they have been arbitrarily assigned the 'wrong' gender to what they feel. It won't ease any burden.

 

[taco man]

It could really go both ways. On the one hand if parents opt for the baby to have the surgery i'd assume it'd make it easier for the intersexed person to fit in with society in conforming to one set of gender norms that the parents have chosen rather than having ambiguous sexual organs and possibly being troubled psychologically realising that you that ur different to everyone else in possibly not belonging to either sex.

But then it could really fuck up if the parents have chosen a specific sex for their child, and it turns out that when they grow up they develop an idea of their own gender as disparate from the sex that their parents assigned them. imo the decision should be up to the individual.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

Short answer: Yes

 

[Ennaybur]

If brought up from birth to understand why they are genetically different, and to be aware that they could at some stage make their choice to have surgery or not, I think that it would certainly be a feasible option for the the child's wellbeing.

 

[ur_inner_child]

I was going to put this in L&O considering this has no related article along with it, nor is it a big enough issue "eg Federal Elections" to exist without an article.

But seeing the condition of some of the responses to the thread, I'm a bit more inclined to move it to non-school. Intelligent debate has happened in non-school before, it's not always inundated with spam.

Any qualms, please PM me.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

I was going to put this in L&O considering this has no related article along with it, nor is it a big enough issue "eg Federal Elections" to exist without an article..

Articles are overrated. You have to read them before replying... I don't like unnecessary reading, it's annoying. I think all article posting should be banned.

 

[townie]

i dunno

 

[ur_inner_child]

As for the topic of the thread, I'm so not sure. The existence of intersexed, (not specifically hermaphrodites) was only recently realised for me, so I'm still open to thoughts and ideas. But I would say that a parent is merely isolating a child if they don't make a decision for them early on. Then you may bring up the right to choose. But hey, those who are not intersexual (ie were either male or female) never got to choose between the two. They never got to choose their parents, their name, their surname, their race, etc, but was still able to find an identity with it.

I'd say a parent should make the decision for them, sparing them from social isolation and trauma later in life.

 

[ur_inner_child]

Articles are overrated. You have to read them before replying... I don't like unnecessary reading, it's annoying. I think all article posting should be banned.

I disagree.

If I had allowed this thread to continue, I would have to allow every other "what if" scenario a member comes up with, and let it reign in NCAP. I'm not sure I have the time or patience to moderate that either.

And all article posting should be banned? Now I'm definately sure you're trolling. News, Current Affairs and Politics, but banning articles? Banning sources?

Please.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

I disagree.

If I had allowed this thread to continue, I would have to allow every other "what if" scenario a member comes up with, and let it reign in NCAP. I'm not sure I have the time or patience to moderate that either.

And all article posting should be banned? Now I'm definately sure you're trolling. News, Current Affairs and Politics, but banning articles? Banning sources?

Please.

I wasn't being specific about this thread, just articles in general.

Do people not watch the news or read the paper? There are some things everyone should know about. If anyone is basing their entire opinion on that one article at the start of the thread how can they possibly post anything constructive?

 

[Ennaybur]

It's not really a 'what if' scenario though is it? It is a current affairs issue, although I agree it isn't in the papers right now.

It's your call, I can understand considering it did get some trollish responses. I fear this will be worse in NS though

 

[iamsickofyear12]

It's not really a 'what if' scenario though is it? It is a current affairs issue, although I agree it isn't in the papers right now.

It's your call, I can understand considering it did get some trollish responses. I fear this will be worse in NS though

It's not really a current affairs issue. I have never seen anything about it in mainstream media before. The closest thing was some parents who tried to turn their boy into a girl.

I also think it would be reasonable to assume that very few people would have any idea about it at all, so anything they said would be a random guess or a completely non-serious post.

 

[ur_inner_child]

I wasn't being specific about this thread, just articles in general.

Do people not watch the news or read the paper? There are some things everyone should know about. If anyone is basing their entire opinion on that one article at the start of the thread how can they possibly post anything constructive?

Some people don't. Some people don't even read the article and base it on the thread title alone. I can't particularly help how a viewer reads a thread, I just leave it to hope that they understand what the fuck bias is, the nature of media etc. It's something out of my control, but when it comes down to a simple "whether or not an article should be there", I believe it should.

It's not really a 'what if' scenario though is it? It is a current affairs issue, although I agree it isn't in the papers right now.

It's your call, I can understand considering it did get some trollish responses. I fear this will be worse in NS though

Mm, I'll put it in L&O, but I'll keep an eye on it... And see how I feel about it later.

 

[Ennaybur]

lol don't worry about it. It's far from love and/or relationship. It can spend it's dying days here.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

Some people don't. Some people don't even read the article and base it on the thread title alone. I can't particularly help how a viewer reads a thread, I just leave it to hope that they understand what the fuck bias is, the nature of media etc. It's something out of my control, but when it comes down to a simple "whether or not an article should be there", I believe it should.

I usually just base it on the thread title alone... but then some people start threads where the title is not always related enough to the article so everyone ends up talking about different things.

...but it's mainly because I don't like reading unless I absolutely have to.

 

[ur_inner_child]

lol don't worry about it. It's far from love and/or relationship. It can spend it's dying days here.

I'm not sure what you meant but it's in NCAP again. Light and Offbeat.

Anyway, I would assume that most people would advise for sexual reassignment. If you can spare a child from suffering, why don't you.

 

[Ennaybur]

Because it is arguable more suffering for them to be emotionally traumatised by growing up and having a different mental 'gender' to the sex that they were assigned.

 

[ur_inner_child]

Then go have a sex change.

The fact that they have made some sort of stand about who they are identity-wise, I'm all for it. But as they're a child, they have no fucking clue. In fact, as far as I understand, they couldn't fathom what their gender entails in the social sense. So why confuse something (and let the intersexual be neither one of the two) that they are yet to grasp?

And so when they grasp it, and find that the reassignment was incorrect, it would probably suck for them, but what was done was for the best for them at the time.

I'm not really holding total commitment to the stuff I'm saying, but I would say that it goes

reassignment = socially better = better sense of identity (even if they are a female trapped in a male etc) = go for a sex change if you want

no reassignment = socially awkward = shit sense of identity = wtf

At least, that's what i would imagine it to be.

 

[ur_inner_child]

I just honestly feel that the person would take their identity better if they could say:

"I am an X trapped in a Y body"

rather than "I am neither X or Y".