Scabbing marks (2 Viewers)

[zhiying]

Go for it, I once got 49% in a math test, scabbed 2 marks to pass with 51% (but legitimately, teacher just forgot to mark a question...)

 

[2xL]

Go for it, I once got 49% in a math test, scabbed 2 marks to pass with 51% (but legitimately, teacher just forgot to mark a question...)

2U 96, 3U 48/50, 4U 96..how can you get 49% in a maths test LOL.

 

[Absolutezero]

Is the teacher allowed to do this?
For my exam, I was scabbing extra marks.
Initially I got an extra mark for a particular Q, and when I went to get another mark for another Q (I was 100% right) the teacher said "You do deserve a mark for this Q, BUT, i dont think you deserved an extra mark for that other question earlier, so if i give you this mark i'm going to take the other one off". I continued to argue but it went nowhere - can they do that?

Yep, they can mark it however they want.

 

[barbernator]

just get full marks and you will never have to scab

 

[Sanjeet]

just get full marks and you will never have to scab

^^

 

[killerg0d]

Fuark, that was funny. Repped. Anyways back on topic, i ALWAYS try scab, if there's even a 50% chance I had the right info but it was poorly interpreted and was just passed on. Important, is how you express your query and...make sure you sound as if it's right, even though deep down you know it probably doesn't meet the expected criteria for that mark to be given. If that makes sense. Don't rock up all angry and point randomly on the page and expect them to follow. Slowly direct their attention to various points in your answer that makes it seem as if you matched the criteria. Happy scabbing!

EDIT: If you're 100% right and they refuse to pay you the mark, feel free to chuck a rage

Apparently he always does and gets it.

 

[jenslekman]

Is the teacher allowed to do this?
For my exam, I was scabbing extra marks.
Initially I got an extra mark for a particular Q, and when I went to get another mark for another Q (I was 100% right) the teacher said "You do deserve a mark for this Q, BUT, i dont think you deserved an extra mark for that other question earlier, so if i give you this mark i'm going to take the other one off". I continued to argue but it went nowhere - can they do that?

LOL ............ same thing happened to me earlier this year :O looks like this is a common anti-mark scabbing trick that teachers use

 

[Shadowdude]

I clicked this link expecting a post on exam technique where if you're running out of time, you do the easy bits of the questions you haven't done to 'scab marks' and artificially inflate your score...

Not begging your teacher for more marks.

 

[luciferous]

I clicked this link expecting a post on exam technique where if you're running out of time, you do the easy bits of the questions you haven't done to 'scab marks' and artificially inflate your score...

Not begging your teacher for more marks.

I wouldn't say "artificially inflate" - it's more like completing the exam to your best ability.

Also, if you try and query an exam which has been double marked, you will be disappointed since it'll be 2 against one.

 

[Fus Ro Dah]

Yeah I've lost marks too for small things like forgetting to put a dx when integrating w.r.t x or whatnot. Most recently, I took a bit of a gamble just to see what would happen. At school right now we finished Co-ordinate Geometry and it was examined a few weeks ago for our 2 unit test. The last question gave us 3 points in R^2 and told us to find the area of the triangle enclosed by those 3 points. It was worth 5 marks. I shifted the triangle such that one of the points became the origin, since translation is invariant, then constructed a 2x2 matrix using the other 2 points and found the area by just halving its determinant. However that only took about 2 or 3 lines of working out and I thought they might dock me for that. I had a spare bit of time so I did the same thing but with a 3x3 with all the right entries as 1 and got the same solution. The teacher who marked it gave me 0 and put this on my paper "What on EARTH are you doing!? Incorrect solution." and drew a big red line over my page of working out. If she had just given me 0 with no comment, I would have accepted it because I guess the method wasn't taught and so I should be awarded 0. However the comment she left along with the big cross over my working out was a bit insulting so I took the paper to the Head Teacher. He didn't know either so I had to show him my Algebra textbook and he finally agreed to award me full marks.

 

[seanieg89]

Yeah I've lost marks too for small things like forgetting to put a dx when integrating w.r.t x or whatnot. Most recently, I took a bit of a gamble just to see what would happen. At school right now we finished Co-ordinate Geometry and it was examined a few weeks ago for our 2 unit test. The last question gave us 3 points in R^2 and told us to find the area of the triangle enclosed by those 3 points. It was worth 5 marks. I shifted the triangle such that one of the points became the origin, since translation is invariant, then constructed a 2x2 matrix using the other 2 points and found the area by just halving its determinant. However that only took about 2 or 3 lines of working out and I thought they might dock me for that. I had a spare bit of time so I did the same thing but with a 3x3 with all the right entries as 1 and got the same solution. The teacher who marked it gave me 0 and put this on my paper "What on EARTH are you doing!? Incorrect solution." and drew a big red line over my page of working out. If she had just given me 0 with no comment, I would have accepted it because I guess the method wasn't taught and so I should be awarded 0. However the comment she left along with the big cross over my working out was a bit insulting so I took the paper to the Head Teacher. He didn't know either so I had to show him my Algebra textbook and he finally agreed to award me full marks.

That is incredibly insulting...silly teacher. Though of course you shouldn't do anything risky like that in the HSC.

 

[Carrotsticks]

If I were the teacher, I probably would have given you full marks just this once but then warned you not to use this method again and if you do, then 0.

However I think it was wrong of the marker to imply that your method was wildly invalid or such. Best to just stick to the plain ol' (and a lot longer) method with the distance formula, then perpendicular distance, then 1/2 * base * height.

I know it's tempting to use more advanced methods to get your answer because more often than not it's more elegant and easy, but remember that the HSC doesn't always accept these methods. For example if you had used this in the HSC, it is likely that you will get 0 marks. However usually, they would 'lead you' to the final answer by means of part (a), (b) etc etc to avoid people using advanced and 'cheap' (debatable) methods to prove or compute various things.

 

[brookeaa]

Probably a better idea to ask for feedback on what you could do better, because once you get the the HSC you can't "scab" marks: you have to rely on your skill and knowledge.

 

[kingkong123]

If I were the teacher, I probably would have given you full marks just this once but then warned you not to use this method again and if you do, then 0.

However I think it was wrong of the marker to imply that your method was wildly invalid or such. Best to just stick to the plain ol' (and a lot longer) method with the distance formula, then perpendicular distance, then 1/2 * base * height.

I know it's tempting to use more advanced methods to get your answer because more often than not it's more elegant and easy, but remember that the HSC doesn't always accept these methods. For example if you had used this in the HSC, it is likely that you will get 0 marks. However usually, they would 'lead you' to the final answer by means of part (a), (b) etc etc to avoid people using advanced and 'cheap' (debatable) methods to prove or compute various things.

i thought u could use any method in the HSC, as long as it is valid and correct?

 

[JINOUGA]

i thought u could use any method in the HSC, as long as it is valid and correct?

I was also under this impression, although if u get a marker who is not familiar with ur particular method, they may think u r fudging ur answer, so it is rather risky

 

[Sanjeet]

Yeah I've lost marks too for small things like forgetting to put a dx when integrating w.r.t x or whatnot. Most recently, I took a bit of a gamble just to see what would happen. At school right now we finished Co-ordinate Geometry and it was examined a few weeks ago for our 2 unit test. The last question gave us 3 points in R^2 and told us to find the area of the triangle enclosed by those 3 points. It was worth 5 marks. I shifted the triangle such that one of the points became the origin, since translation is invariant, then constructed a 2x2 matrix using the other 2 points and found the area by just halving its determinant. However that only took about 2 or 3 lines of working out and I thought they might dock me for that. I had a spare bit of time so I did the same thing but with a 3x3 with all the right entries as 1 and got the same solution. The teacher who marked it gave me 0 and put this on my paper "What on EARTH are you doing!? Incorrect solution." and drew a big red line over my page of working out. If she had just given me 0 with no comment, I would have accepted it because I guess the method wasn't taught and so I should be awarded 0. However the comment she left along with the big cross over my working out was a bit insulting so I took the paper to the Head Teacher. He didn't know either so I had to show him my Algebra textbook and he finally agreed to award me full marks.

This is fucking amazing

 

[Alkenes]

LOL offer him/her some money brahhh
That's what indians do coz that's what happens in India (no jks)

 

[JasonG123]

I've always found a successful tact to be to go in with two or three queries when you only intend to get one. Then you really go all out with the actual legitimate query but only argue momentarily for the other marks before agreeing with them and backing down. It makes them feel as if they're refusing you but they usually agree to give you the only query you actually wanted.

Getting on a teacher's good side is important too.

It's quite petty, but you'd be stupid to not try and do it. You might as well scavenge while you can because in the actual HSC that safety net is gone.

 

[Bobbo1]

In the long run I hope you realize the scabbed marks will have very little or no impact on your final marks. After that it'll be halved (school mark) and AFTER THAT your ATAR will be calculated.

THAT SAID, I think a polite non-demanding approach is the best. If you are wrong, just accept it and do not harass your teachers as this will degrade your relationship with your teacher. And like others already said, wait till the initial rush of scabbers are over then ask the teacher.

 

[gr_111]

i thought u could use any method in the HSC, as long as it is valid and correct?

I was also under this impression, although if u get a marker who is not familiar with ur particular method, they may think u r fudging ur answer, so it is rather risky

Yeah, I thought HSC was just open slather...use whatever method you want...ends justify the means. If a teacher doesn't know several methods to do a question then they shouldn't be marking the HSC!