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Could some capable person please tell me how to solve this?
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A point "P" moves on the curve y=x^3 and its x-coordinate increases at a constant rate of 5 units per second.

At what rate is the gradient of the curve increasing when x=1?

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Answer (highlight to see): 30 units/s
 

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Sorry folks, here's another one. Several times I've tried and gotten 96 as opposed to 288.

Q: Sand is poured into a heap in the shape of a right circular cone whose semi-vertex angle is A, where . When the height of the cone is 16cm, the height is increasing at the rate of 2cm/min. At what rate is the volume increasing at that instant?

Answer: 288pi /min
 

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Could some capable person please tell me how to solve this?
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A point "P" moves on the curve y=x^3 and its x-coordinate increases at a constant rate of 5 units per second.

At what rate is the gradient of the curve increasing when x=1?

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Answer (highlight to see): 30 units/s
Why is the gradient of the curve in units? :/
 

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Could some capable person please tell me how to solve this?
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A point "P" moves on the curve y=x^3 and its x-coordinate increases at a constant rate of 5 units per second.

At what rate is the gradient of the curve increasing when x=1?

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Answer (highlight to see): 30 units/s

OMG, it has been 9 years since i have done Math like this, but i will try :)

So, we know the following:

1. y = x^3

2. rate at which x-co ord increases (i.e., dx/dt) = 5 units/sec

We want the rate at which the gradient increases, which is essentially (dy/dx)/dt

So:

from 1. dy/dx = 3x^2

we want (dy/dx)/dt

so (dy/dx)/dt = dy/dx * 1/dt

dx/dt = 5, so 1/dt = 5/dx --- sub into previous

so (dy/dx)/dt = dy/dx * 1/dt

(dy/dx)/dt = 3x^2 * (5/dx)

(dy/dx)/dt = 15x^2 * (1/dx)

(dy/dx)/dt = 15x^2/dx

(dy/dx)/dt = 30x

when x = 1

(dy/dx)/dt = 30*1

(dy/dx)/dt = 30

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Sorry folks, here's another one. Several times I've tried and gotten 96 as opposed to 288.

Q: Sand is poured into a heap in the shape of a right circular cone whose semi-vertex angle is A, where . When the height of the cone is 16cm, the height is increasing at the rate of 2cm/min. At what rate is the volume increasing at that instant?

Answer: 288pi /min
Just quickly looking at this. If you got 96 and answer is 288. Odds are they used the wrong formula for volume of a cone, they probably left out the 1/3 part :)

dV/dt = dh/dt * dV/dh

dV/dt = 2 * 1/3(pi)r^2

dV/dt = 2 * 1/3(pi)(16*3/4)^2

dV/dt = 2/3(pi)(12)^2

dV/dt = 288/3 (pi)

dV/dt = 96pi
 
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For the cone one we know; dh/dt= 2cm/min at h=16cm, and tanA=3/4

now, V=1/3pir^2h, if you draw a pretty picture you should relise that r/h=3/4
i,e. r=3h/4
and V=1/3pi(3h/4)^2 h
therefore, dV/dh=9/16pih^2 and at h=16, dV/dh=144cm^3/min

now, dV/dt=dV/dh*dh/dt
therefore dV/dt=144pi*2=288picm3/min at h=16

edit: darkchild, you treated the radius as constant when you differentiated the volume for a cone.
 
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Thankyou guys for your help :shy:

So, we know the following:

1. y = x^3

2. rate at which x-co ord increases (i.e., dx/dt) = 5 units/sec

We want the rate at which the gradient increases, which is essentially (dy/dx)/dt

So:

from 1. dy/dx = 3x^2

we want (dy/dx)/dt

so (dy/dx)/dt = dy/dx * 1/dt

dx/dt = 5, so 1/dt = 5/dx --- sub into previous

so (dy/dx)/dt = dy/dx * 1/dt

(dy/dx)/dt = 3x^2 * (5/dx)

(dy/dx)/dt = 15x^2 * (1/dx)

(dy/dx)/dt = 15x^2/dx

(dy/dx)/dt = 30x


when x = 1

(dy/dx)/dt = 30*1

(dy/dx)/dt = 30
darkchild, I don't know how you went from the first of these red lines to the second...you seem to have derived it from 15x^2 to 30x, but I'm not sure why?
 

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Thankyou guys for your help :shy:



darkchild, I don't know how you went from the first of these red lines to the second...you seem to have derived it from 15x^2 to 30x, but I'm not sure why?
Hey, i just differentiated 15x^2 to 30x

i.e., 15x^2/dx = 30x
 

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Hey, i just differentiated 15x^2 to 30x

i.e., 15x^2/dx = 30x
Oh haha, didn't know you could do that...

But that makes sense, since when I've got something multiplied by dx I integrate it, so this would be the opposite.

Thanks again
 

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Oh haha, didn't know you could do that...

But that makes sense, since when I've got something multiplied by dx I integrate it, so this would be the opposite.

Thanks again
That's not really the proper way to do things; the notation for the derivative (dy/dx) isn't a fraction, it's just notation. Even though it just so happens that you can treat them like fractions, what darkchild did doesn't really work.

You're better off using the chain rule:
 
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