Not-That-Bright said:
What the hell? How is it disrespectful to say 'on her rags' ? I know many girls who talk in such way and I understood it to just be another euphemism, would I have been more in place in saying 'visited by lady flow' ? It seems to me you just want to label me a misogynist to further your own agenda. I am standing up for the rights of women you dolt, and whether i've used incorrect terms according to your definition of what is politically correct or not, the point of my post was to address an age-old belief (both in western culture and in the scripture of islam) that it is ok for a man to rape his wife. This is at the forefront of modern feminism, and to attack me for having such beliefs is (in my mind) absolutely ludacris.
" On her rags " is derogatory. It is used (and it was used by yourself) for satirical purposes. I do not want to label you anything, im sure people will make their own assumptions of you by your posts neway.
Not-That-Bright said:
It is obvious throughout your post that you're just another religious zealot that is willing to throw away all reason, all logic, all their ideals about the rights of women, mearly to defend your religion.
Religious zealot? puh lease. In case you haven't seen my name, i am a female so why would i want to lower myself to the status of a donkey? (That's what it was like for women, their status, before the coming of Mohammed (pbuh). They were treated like animals. God told them that heaven lies at the feet of your mother. That is the epitomy of respect.
You probably wont read this but, for proof:
The Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam said: "The best believers are the best in conduct, and the best of you are those who are best to their wives." (Tirmidhi) narrated by Abû Hurayrah
"A man asked the prophet Muhammad sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam: 'whom should I honor most?' The prophet replied: 'Your mother'. 'And who comes next?' Asked the man. The prophet replied: 'Your mother'. 'And who comes next?' Asked the man. The prophet replied: 'Your mother'. 'And who comes next?' Asked the man. The prophet replied: 'Your father' " (Bukhari and Muslim).
Qur'ân: "And they (women) have rights similar to those of men over them in a just manner" (2):228
Bible: "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (1 Timothy 2:11-14)
Not-That-Bright said:
I don't believe I'm ignorant at all, egotistical perhaps, but ignorant I am not. Unless you're willing to actually show me how I've been ignorant instead of just name calling?
Im not the one doing the name calling. You're the one who's called me a 'religious zealot'.
Not-That-Bright said:
I believe there is much more to a religion than its religious text, and I think the very last thing you would want me to do is read the entire koran and produce my anti-thesis diatribe to your entire religious text
No, no, please go ahead. It is said in the Quran that those who have read and made their descision are more than allowed to produce something to rival it, if they can. Nobody can, of course.
Also, is it not ironic that so much of your arguement lies in the text that you are refusing to read? You say "it says in islam" .....but you havent even read the Quran! If you are critically commentating on a book, you should do your research, from both perspectives.
Not-That-Bright said:
You were saying that a woman should not deprive her husband of sex. So in other words, whenever a husband wants sex, he gets it, even if the woman doesn't want to give it.
How exactly are you going to construe this differently, and if you just wrote it wrong, can you then go back and answer my original question again?
It is recognised in Islam that the female has POWER in her feminity. She has the ability to give birth, to reproduce and create a new generation. She is a beautiful creature and has power in that beauty. The consent of sex is also her power, but she must not abuse that power, just as all men must not abuse their power. Its simple, really.
Not-That-Bright said:
I want people to understand, that I do not believe that all muslims are rapists... or anything like that. My issue with Islam is that it is an old religion, that teaches the practice of old customs, in particular my issue with Islam is that it appears to not wish to be in any way progressive, it seems from what muslims on these forums have said, that a part of the religion is the acknowledgement that it is the true word of god, and every verse has to be taken literally, and there can be no compromises.
While there are issues with these things in the catholic church, they have over time become more progressive and accepting of a changing world. Of course, it could be argued that is only due to their diminished power, but either way the end result is a more progressive, accepting religion. I do not see this in Islam, I see a far more conservative religion that preaches dangerous social practices that the people of the modern world have fought for years to remove.
I appreciate your statement about "not all muslims".
The reason why Islam has not changed is because the word of God, in the Quran, must not be changed. This is why the Bible has many contradictions in it, unfortunetly. We believe in the Bible, but because it has fallen into the hands of the powerful men (it was in the hands of the literate few-latin-speaking minority for over a millenia before the reformation led by Luther) it is no longer the word of God but a version of the origianl Gospel sent down from heaven.
If you change something, it no longer remains pure, in its original form.
Also, because Islam knows holds no bounds in its nationality/race/colour/gender , there are various states that administer and mix their own CULTURAL practices into its law.
