Rape Ingrained in Islamic Culture? (2 Viewers)

[xeuyrawp]

that is evidence of mixing of islam and culture, it isnt pure islamic law.

Um, can we hold this argument to the point where I can be bothered to sift through my copy of the Koran?

I'll just need to re-find the passages where a man can beat his wife to death, the punishments for being sexually active, the laws which allow polygamy, the laws which dictate how a woman must act, etc etc.

 

[xeuyrawp]

You surely can't deny that there is a high corrolation between the prescence of Islam and the mistreatment of women, though.

Well that's right.

Culturally, Malaysians have nothing similar to, say Iranians, yet they are both notoriously bad with women. (I haven't been to Iran, and I don't think I've seen it first-hand (in case the 'Where's your info for this?' boy asks...), though, but I have read a lot about their culture.)

 

[banco55]

That's a problem that all religions face, but you must admit that in an Australian context, Islam appears to be the one that most often escapes into the notion that "they aren't following the teachings of Islam..." whenever a problem emerges. That said, Islam is the religion that is at the fore at the moment (in terms of popular discussions, not social importance), so I guess that in a way that is to be expected. Still, it would be nice for some to admit that Islam (as with other religions) can be and is abused on a regular basis.

Edit: and that it isn't perfect, but there's no point in asking for the moon.

The whole "they aren't following the teachings of Allah" is beside the point I think. When you'd ask diehard communists about the lack of civil liberties in Communist countries or even the purges in stalinist russia the reply was usually: "they are not following the teachings of Marx". Arguably they weren't but actions are what counts.

 

[veterandoggy]

Um, can we hold this argument to the point where I can be bothered to sift through my copy of the Koran?

I'll just need to re-find the passages where a man can beat his wife to death, the punishments for being sexually active, the laws which allow polygamy, the laws which dictate how a woman must act, etc etc.

ill be waiting, but let me tell you first that not much harm can be done with a grass blade, or the side of a handkercheif in regards to beating (i know a few narrations, but not in complete detail)

 

[veterandoggy]

Still, it would be nice for some to admit that Islam (as with other religions) can be and is abused on a regular basis.

im the first to second that notion.

 

[Sonic]

this is what some ppl don't realise and it gives the majority a bad name when they are joined to the minority

 

[veterandoggy]

Um, can we hold this argument to the point where I can be bothered to sift through my copy of the Koran?

I'll just need to re-find the passages where a man can beat his wife to death, the punishments for being sexually active, the laws which allow polygamy, the laws which dictate how a woman must act, etc etc.

a man cannot beat his wife to death, punishment for being sexually active doesnt exist, unless you mean fornicators and adulterors, we are allowed up to 4 wives in strict circumstances, and we must give them all equal treatment, the laws dictating womens actions? show me, and they had better not be good things, like preserving their mosedty, and keeping their beauty to their husbands and husbands only.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

punishment for being sexually active doesnt exist, unless you mean fornicators

wtf else could he mean?

 

[veterandoggy]

well, the punishments are good deterrents, and the prophetr prescribed fasting for those who had no control over themselves

 

[Sonic]

wtf else could he mean?

in which case fornicator is someone who has sex outside of marrige and in islam that is not allowed husbands and wives should remain loyal to each other

 

[Not-That-Bright]

punishment for being sexually active doesnt exist

well, the punishments are good deterrents, and the prophetr prescribed fasting for those who had no control over themselves

The first of many contradictions by the muslims.

 

[khalidkc]

The notion that Islam is unfair towards women and allows men to rape women is totally incorrect. It is ofcourse a fact that many Muslim men treat women unfairly, yet there are also many Christians, Jews and Hindus who do the same.

You cannot judge a religion based on the actions of certain ignorant people who claim to be following the religion (ie Islam) in the correct manner, rather it should be the teachings that should be used to judge a religion.

 

[veterandoggy]

The first of many contradictions by the muslims.

he said for being sexually active. i didnt know if he meant actually doing it or having the urge.

 

[Generator]

You cannot judge a religion based on the actions of certain ignorant people who claim to be following the religion (ie Islam) in the correct manner, rather it should be the teachings that should be used to judge a religion.

No. The teachings and the actions of those who claim to follow teachings (whether they do or not) cannot be divorced in such a manner. Now, this isn't to say that a religion is marred by the actions of the few, but it does suggest that abuses can and do occur in the name of a religion, abuses that cannot just be ignored or dismissed.

 

[khalidkc]

I agree with you generator. These ignorant and unlearned individuals should be condemned, but the religious teachings that they apparently uphold are completely independant of their actions.

Any person who justifies a wrong act based on their religion is completely incorrect. The reputation of the religion shouldn't be tarnished because of these ignorant people.

Religion sets out morally and spiritually correct guidelines. It is up to the followers to uphold these guidelines in the best manner. These guidlines cannot be condemned due to the wrongful actions of the ingorant few.

 

[withoutaface]

that is evidence of mixing of islam and culture, it isnt pure islamic law.

Then I'd suggest that while Islam in its pure form may be fine, in practice it is horrible. Just like communism.

EDIT: Except communism doesn't even work in theory.

 

[reemz]

far out cant you just let the muslim lebs go for at least 1 day till all this uai and hsc stuff is over...
look "islamic culture" does not encourage guys to go out and at like idiots ok- they just stand out coz our religion and culture has been focused on over the past couple of years. look there are idiots in every race- its not like those neo-nazis on last sunday were even better than the lebos, its a sensitive topic and it deserves a space in the past and just drop it man.....

 

[Generator]

its a sensitive topic and it deserves a space in the past and just drop it man.....

What would that achieve? Problems must be dealt with effectively and not be ignored if we are to progress.

 

[SashatheMan]

far out cant you just let the muslim lebs go for at least 1 day till all this uai and hsc stuff is over...
look "islamic culture" does not encourage guys to go out and at like idiots ok- they just stand out coz our religion and culture has been focused on over the past couple of years. look there are idiots in every race- its not like those neo-nazis on last sunday were even better than the lebos, its a sensitive topic and it deserves a space in the past and just drop it man.....

Ignoring things because its a sensitive topic, or that it has to be politicly correct, is a major reason that allowed these riots to escalade to the degree that we saw on the weekend.

We have to confront this problem and people have to admit they are at fault. Now if Muslim people always keep defending their religion and saying its only the people that don’t follow it correctly that are responsible and other normal Australians keep their mouth shut every time something happens because they think it’s a sensitive issue, then it only encourages the problem to grow secretly until it finally surfaces in the form of violence etc etc.

 

[SashatheMan]

a man cannot beat his wife to death, punishment for being sexually active doesnt exist, unless you mean fornicators and adulterors, we are allowed up to 4 wives in strict circumstances, and we must give them all equal treatment, the laws dictating womens actions? show me, and they had better not be good things, like preserving their mosedty, and keeping their beauty to their husbands and husbands only.

i give my two pet dogs equal treatment amoung them, it doesnt mean i treat them like a human.
thats what polygamy in turn does. The islamic law does state that women have to be treated equally, even though in practise its impossible to do. but the whole topic of polygamy makes women inferior to a male.
the islamic laws make women be treated like objects and incourages violence to be used against them if they step out of line. you may once again argue that its only people who follow the law wrong that are doing this, but since the laws allow numourous people to follow them wrong, its obvious that the problem is not with the people who do wrong, but the islamic laws themselves.