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[fruitpunch]

Hi, so I'm a feeling a bit uncertain about my overall internal ranks after i received trial marks.

I go to a school ranked in the top 30s . Does that mean my internal ranks will be moderated to be higher and how much if so.

Also if you get a not so good internal rank is there a chance you can still get a good atar above 90 if you do well in hsc.

 

[jimmysmith560]

The moderation process doesn't take into account your school rank. It considers your own final ranks relative to your cohort across your subjects. For example, if your final rank for one of your subjects is 1/20, this means that your Assessment Mark (which contributes 50% towards your final mark for that subject) will be adjusted to equal the highest Examination Mark of any student in your cohort. If the highest Examination Mark for that subject ends up being 90, you will receive 90 as your Assessment Mark. Similarly, if your final rank is 20/20, your Assessment Mark will be adjusted to equal the lowest Examination Mark of any student in your cohort. If the lowest Examination Mark for that subject ends up being 65, you will receive 65 as your Assessment Mark.

The HSC exams are worth 50% of your final mark for your respective subjects, not to mention the fact that your marks in your HSC exams are determined based on your own performance, meaning that they are not affected by your school rank/cohort. Because of this, they constitute a great opportunity for you to make a significant difference and maximise your chances of achieving an ATAR above 90, even if your internal ranks are not as good as you would've wanted them to be. However, it is imperative that you do your utmost to perform to the best of your abilities in the HSC exams. You will likely need at least band 5's (preferably high band 5's). Band 6's are of course favourable.

I hope this helps!

 

[zizi2003_]

The moderation process doesn't take into account your school rank. It considers your own final rank relative to your cohort. For example, if your final rank for one of your subjects is 1/20, this means that your Assessment Mark (which contributes 50% towards your final mark for that subject) will be adjusted to equal the highest Examination Mark of any student in your cohort. If the highest Examination Mark for that subject ends up being 90, you will receive 90 as your Assessment Mark. Similarly, if your final rank is 20/20, your Assessment Mark will be adjusted to equal the lowest Examination Mark of any student in your cohort. If the lowest Examination Mark for that subject ends up being 65, you will receive 65 as your Assessment Mark.

The HSC exams are worth 50% of your final mark for your respective subjects, not to mention the fact that your marks in your HSC exams are determined based on your own performance, meaning that they are not affected by your school rank/cohort. Because of this, they constitute a great opportunity for you to make a significant difference and maximise your chances of achieving an ATAR above 90, even if your internal ranks are not as good as you would've wanted them to be. However, it is imperative that you do your utmost to perform to the best of your abilities in the HSC exams. You will likely need at least band 5's (preferably high band 5's). Band 6's are of course favourable.

I hope this helps!

What if one gets, say a rank of 3/60 students? would moderation work the same way then? (the third highest examination mark being adjusted to equal the assessment mark?)

 

[jimmysmith560]

What if one gets, say a rank of 3/60 students? would moderation work the same way then? (the third highest examination mark being adjusted to equal the assessment mark?)

Not necessarily, the above seems to apply mainly to the highest/lowest Assessment Mark. If a student was ranked 3rd, it is likely that their Assessment Mark will be very similar to the Examination Mark that matches their rank, although it may not be the same. Also, the highest/lowest Assessment Mark is adjusted to equal the highest/lowest Examination Mark, not the other way around.

Have a look at this example from NESA:

 

[fruitpunch]

The moderation process doesn't take into account your school rank. It considers your own final ranks relative to your cohort across your subjects. For example, if your final rank for one of your subjects is 1/20, this means that your Assessment Mark (which contributes 50% towards your final mark for that subject) will be adjusted to equal the highest Examination Mark of any student in your cohort. If the highest Examination Mark for that subject ends up being 90, you will receive 90 as your Assessment Mark. Similarly, if your final rank is 20/20, your Assessment Mark will be adjusted to equal the lowest Examination Mark of any student in your cohort. If the lowest Examination Mark for that subject ends up being 65, you will receive 65 as your Assessment Mark.

The HSC exams are worth 50% of your final mark for your respective subjects, not to mention the fact that your marks in your HSC exams are determined based on your own performance, meaning that they are not affected by your school rank/cohort. Because of this, they constitute a great opportunity for you to make a significant difference and maximise your chances of achieving an ATAR above 90, even if your internal ranks are not as good as you would've wanted them to be. However, it is imperative that you do your utmost to perform to the best of your abilities in the HSC exams. You will likely need at least band 5's (preferably high band 5's). Band 6's are of course favourable.

I hope this helps!

Thanks for responding , I really appreciate it !

 

[addictedtobubbletea]

Hi, so I'm a feeling a bit uncertain about my overall internal ranks after i received trial marks.

I go to a school ranked in the top 30s . Does that mean my internal ranks will be moderated to be higher and how much if so.

Also if you get a not so good internal rank is there a chance you can still get a good atar above 90 if you do well in hsc.

Not sure if this helps but if you go to https://www.hscninja.com/atar-calculator you can see how many students get band 6s at your school per subject. That should help you gauge how likely you are to get a band 6/5 based on your internal rank (though of course this will vary based on your external rank as well) and how likely you will be to get a 90+ atar

 

[Porogamiii]

Hi, so I'm a feeling a bit uncertain about my overall internal ranks after i received trial marks.

I go to a school ranked in the top 30s . Does that mean my internal ranks will be moderated to be higher and how much if so.

Also if you get a not so good internal rank is there a chance you can still get a good atar above 90 if you do well in hsc.

The way my teacher explained is that in the HSC exam for that subject, everyone in your class contributes to a pool of marks which is then distributed among the ranks, 1st getting the highest mark, and last getting the lowest, with everyone inbetween getting a different moderated mark based on NESA's secret formula. So a higher ranked school just means people in your class are likely to do better, so your pool of marks will likely be higher and the pie larger, meaning everyone between 1st and last gets a larger slice of the pie overall.

 

[Life'sHard]

Not necessarily, the above seems to apply mainly to the highest/lowest Assessment Mark. If a student was ranked 3rd, it is likely that their Assessment Mark will be very similar to the Examination Mark that matches their rank, although it may not be the same. Also, the highest/lowest Assessment Mark is adjusted to equal the highest/lowest Examination Mark, not the other way around.

Have a look at this example from NESA:

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Is there a case where the F student (School assessment mark) goes nuts and gets 90+ for examination mark. What happens then with moderated assessment mark?

 

[jimmysmith560]

Is there a case where the F student (School assessment mark) goes nuts and gets 90+ for examination mark. What happens then with moderated assessment mark?

Yes, that is definitely possible, since the Examination Mark is unaffected by the student's rank/school rank/cohort. It is rather solely dependent on their performance in the HSC exam for that subject (of course factors such as scaling/alignment also affect this).

In the event where a student (assuming they ranked last in a particular subject) performs to a high standard in their HSC exam, they will receive a high Examination Mark, but their Assessment Mark will be adjusted to reflect the lowest Examination Mark achieved by any student in their cohort. For example, if the lowest Examination Mark mark was 65, that student will receive 65 as their Assessment Mark, but 90+ as their own Examination Mark, resulting in a final mark of 78.

 

[Hiheyhello]

PLEASE HELP

what if there’s a massive discrepancy between 3rd and 4th, but a much smaller gap between 3rd and 1st?

with 1st and 3rd both on track for a band 6 and 4th being likely to get a band 5.
can the person who came 3rd still get a band 6 if the 3rd highest mark for the hsc examination from that cohort gets a band 6?

 

[jimmysmith560]

PLEASE HELP

what if there’s a massive discrepancy between 3rd and 4th, but a much smaller gap between 3rd and 1st?

with 1st and 3rd both on track for a band 6 and 4th being likely to get a band 5.
can the person who came 3rd still get a band 6 if the 3rd highest mark for the hsc examination from that cohort gets a band 6?

I'm not sure I 100% understand your question so apologies in advance if anything doesn't quite answer your question

"can the person who came 3rd still get a band 6 if the 3rd highest mark for the hsc examination from that cohort gets a band 6?"

The Assessment Mark of the student who ranked 3rd will be similar to the third-highest Examination Mark (as seen with the above example from NESA). It likely won't be the same mark because it is neither the highest nor lowest Examination Mark. If the third-highest Examination Mark was in the band 6 region, the student that ranked third will most likely receive an Assessment Mark in the band 6 region as well.

This is where I feel like I'm not fully understanding your question, particularly "can the person who came 3rd still get a band 6", as if you're suggesting they don't have a high chance of receiving a band 6?

Regardless I hope this helps!

 

[Hiheyhello]

I'm not sure I 100% understand your question so apologies in advance if anything doesn't quite answer your question

"can the person who came 3rd still get a band 6 if the 3rd highest mark for the hsc examination from that cohort gets a band 6?"

The Assessment Mark of the student who ranked 3rd will be similar to the third-highest Examination Mark (as seen with the above example from NESA). It likely won't be the same mark because it is neither the highest nor lowest Examination Mark. If the third-highest Examination Mark was in the band 6 region, the student that ranked third will most likely receive an Assessment Mark in the band 6 region as well.

This is where I feel like I'm not fully understanding your question, particularly "can the person who came 3rd still get a band 6", as if you're suggesting they don't have a high chance of receiving a band 6?

Regardless I hope this helps!

I'm not sure I 100% understand your question so apologies in advance if anything doesn't quite answer your question

"can the person who came 3rd still get a band 6 if the 3rd highest mark for the hsc examination from that cohort gets a band 6?"

The Assessment Mark of the student who ranked 3rd will be similar to the third-highest Examination Mark (as seen with the above example from NESA). It likely won't be the same mark because it is neither the highest nor lowest Examination Mark. If the third-highest Examination Mark was in the band 6 region, the student that ranked third will most likely receive an Assessment Mark in the band 6 region as well.

This is where I feel like I'm not fully understanding your question, particularly "can the person who came 3rd still get a band 6", as if you're suggesting they don't have a high chance of receiving a band 6?

Regardless I hope this helps!

yes, thank you so much!
basically i started freaking out when you said that NESA uses ‘a strange formula’ for everyone who isn’t ranked first or last. i wasn’t sure if you meant coming that 3rd for example, could make you susceptible to being diasadvantaged or ‘dragged down’ by people within ur cohort who received a lower mark than you.
thank you for clarifying, and i’m very relieved that you can still receive a band 6 without necessarily coming first.

 

[jimmysmith560]

yes, thank you so much!
basically i started freaking out when you said that NESA uses ‘a strange formula’ for everyone who isn’t ranked first or last. i wasn’t sure if you meant coming that 3rd for example, could make you susceptible to being diasadvantaged or ‘dragged down’ by people within ur cohort who received a lower mark than you.
thank you for clarifying, and i’m very relieved that you can still receive a band 6 without necessarily coming first.

No worries! I didn't mean to suggest that at all! Sorry that I gave you the wrong idea and freaked you out!

Provided your cohort is at least somewhat academically capable, you don't necessarily need to rank first in order to achieve a band 6. Being dragged down realistically occurs if your rank is sufficiently low to allow for this, because then your Assessment Mark will end up being similar to the Examination Mark that matches your rank, which may also likely be low. It would be a good idea to determine how many band 6's/E4's your school achieves (through HSCninja for example) if you haven't already as that can give you a good idea of how high your ranks need to be to maximise your chances of achieving a band 6

 

[iwanttodogoodinschool]

Hey! So for internals, my final rank is first for a few subjects. Although I'm completely losing motivation to study for HSC. I've heard that whoever is first internally is given whatever the highest external mark is for that subject in your school. Is this true?

 

[okayokay123]

Hey! So for internals, my final rank is first for a few subjects. Although I'm completely losing motivation to study for HSC. I've heard that whoever is first internally is given whatever the highest external mark is for that subject in your school. Is this true?

Thats right, but if there is a big discrepancy between your school rank and how you rank in the HSC for your school, they end up moderating the mark. As long as your HSC mark is top 5 of your cohort you should still get the highest external mark

 

[ExtremelyBoredUser]

What if the first rank doesn't get a B6 for your subject and say your ranked lower and you do? Do they get that B6 and you get a B5? Just curious.

 

[jimmysmith560]

What if the first rank doesn't get a B6 for your subject and say your ranked lower and you do? Do they get that B6 and you get a B5? Just curious.

Yes, they will likely receive a band 6 as their Assessment Mark. It is worth mentioning that this depends on the ranks and Examination Marks because, while the student who ranked higher will receive a higher Assessment Mark, it may not necessarily be a band 6, meaning that it depends on the particular scenario.