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Isn't judging a whole group based on experience with one person something you guys have a word for?
It demonstrates the credibility/bankruptcy of an organisation by the performance of its leaders. Quite frankly the revolutionary left, at lease in my case in the Socialist Alliance is extremely well lead by self sacrificing leaders who have donated a lifetime and recieved little or no recognition for the work they do fighting for working people. I respect peoples right to hold religious views... but God certainly has no place in Industrial relations nor does he in many many issues. But i mean the list of my experiences with evangelicals does go on... its that 13 year old girl who is a member of a special new age bigoted church who tells me she loves god things, what are those things, well i like praying, worshiping, singing, so what do you know about old growth logging, Industrial Law and the roots of disadvantage? errrrrr...ummmmmmm.... silence should conclude this debate

And remember from the chaser decides: God is the real winner!.. my ass
 

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iwannarock said:
its such a waste too. soooooooooooo many hot girls go there.
damn, must convert them to my religion: the heavenly and holy assembly of the righteous ones. i'm the leader and the prophet btw. new membership is always welcome, pm me for further details.
 

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i just found this (from another forum):
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Back in '92 to '96 I was fully invovled with Christain fellowship groups.
In the period of '92 to '94 I was invovled with the Anglican church & Christain Surfers,yea they were cool.The services at the Anglican were a bit low-key & yea by the time it was mid '94 I need a change & thats when I to youth-young adults conference at Hillsong called Youth Alive.
Now anyone who's fellowship member of an Anglican church goes to full-on-in-your face-style of service that Hillsong is well known for..is in for a shock!
It's like a rock concert & it's full of people that you would want to go & fellowship with any given sunday coz they're so friendly!
They'll tell you to go a church with the style of Hillsong & ditch the Anglicans behind!
"Find a church that's on fire," was the most common used term.
During that long weekend at Hillsong & in a group of 5,000 other people going nuts for God,I witnessed so much crazy shit during that 3 day stay & that weekend was the birth of my 2 year relationship of the Charsmatic Pentacostal movement.

What is a Pentacostal/Charsmatic Church
The sort of church that's non-traditionalized,most of these group hold their fellowships in rent-a-halls,RSL's & never held in a traditionised style church buliding.
These group claim they're 'off-shoots' of the traditional churches,but you would got the feeling that who started this group had some form of falling-out with the trad-church that started of with.
Hillsong,Assemblies Of God,Revival Centre,Community Church,Lamb Of God,The Chlidrens Bread & many other weird titles that you can poke a stick at!Hey check out your local White-Pages!
After that Youth Alive/Hillsong conference & no desire to go back to borring Anglican coz I discovered a group called Christain Outreach Centre & that where I stayed for those 2 years in '94-'96.

WHAT GOES ON INSIDE A PENTACOSTAL GROUP?
All sorts of crazy of shit!
'SPEAKING IN TONGUES or PRAYING TONGUES' is where a person claims they're speaking the language of the Holy Spirit,sounds weird?wait there's more.......to do this action the prayer sound more like gibberish or sounds of a sound infant babbling away at high speed!One group called THE REVIVAL CENTRE claimed if you dont pray in tongues,you are going to hell.So if ya an active member in that group & give shitloads of money to the Revival Centre & you dont want ot sound like some babbling fool coz the whole church is.... ya goin to hell baby!
Now if that sounded nuts wait for..........
'SLAIN IN THE HOLY SPIRIT'
Have you ever seen someone gettin prayed while standing up & the pastor places his hand on the person being prayed for & that person falls down into the arms of two guys standing behind the person being prayed for
Well that person is "being slain by the holy spirit".This person who being prayed for & then falls backward is being K-O'd by the Holy Ghost!or so they say!When the pastor places his hand your head & screams a prayer to command to rid them nasty demons,he passes the holy spirit on to you & them BAM-WAM you fall back on the floor.You may cry,like they used to,you may laugh (one I did coz I slipped a cheesy fart as the Pastor tried to prayed for me...I think he noticed too!hahha!) & may just rest there on the floor & catch-up on a 'nanna-nap' from being on the piss the nite before!
So that sounded nutty....well check this out,even Hillsong believed this
ATTACK FROM THE DEVIL
If you had an family argument,well this considered 'an attack of the devil'...
If you horny,well blame the devil!
If you get a cold,well that naughty red-man is the blame!
If you're concern that you must pay that bill & your focus is dimmed from God coz you just wanna pay that fucking bill before they cut shut-off your home electricity.....it's the devil & his demons again!
Anything at all is the work of the devil & the demons coz the church say so.......and when it happens up the front of the church you go & get prayed for!
Michael said:
i hate hillsong. i went once to their "youth group" and when i went to leave as it wasn't for me, they tried to tell i could not leave. so i argued with them and basicly threatened to call the police on them as they were physically stopping me from leaving. in the end i had to push one of the dickheads at the exit out of the way. so fuck hillsong, and their brainwashing. just wish people would relise what really is going on before its too late.
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Yes!

I used to attend a nice normal anglican church. Set in the ways normal.

Then I went to Hillsong for a period. Money sucker motherfuckers. Seriously it's about getting in touch with god and not giving them so much money.

They were in shit because apparently the wife or something was purchasing propety underr the churchs name. How godly is that? Makes me sick. Fucking HOUSTON family and their little bratty Laura snotty arsed and Ben and others.

I know of their children. In fact I attended a church school in year 7 before i left to go to another in year 8 where i could be myself more. And they attended this same posh arse school. They had the best of everything..and this school wasn't cheap. So people going there giving across money while there 3 or 4? children have the best designer and electrionic shit out. Fucking brats.

Fucking bad arse dodgy cunts. The church is full of sinning posers.

Respect to the old school minister and none of this dodgy new age shit. If they need money why do they have the BEST venue for a rave if needed ( that is completely sound proof in there ) They bought the ice rink...and "rumour" of buying the tav.

I am sure god is looking down on them and shaking his head. Praising the lord wasn't meant to be about power,money and greed. In which they are taking pocketfulls of innocent people who are brainwashed.

And I remember that freaky falling backward thing. I don't believe i ever went back..they scarred me..and people would cry it was more like an excorism!
 
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chubbaraff said:
It demonstrates the credibility/bankruptcy of an organisation by the performance of its leaders. Quite frankly the revolutionary left, at lease in my case in the Socialist Alliance is extremely well lead by self sacrificing leaders who have donated a lifetime and recieved little or no recognition for the work they do fighting for working people. I respect peoples right to hold religious views... but God certainly has no place in Industrial relations nor does he in many many issues. But i mean the list of my experiences with evangelicals does go on... its that 13 year old girl who is a member of a special new age bigoted church who tells me she loves god things, what are those things, well i like praying, worshiping, singing, so what do you know about old growth logging, Industrial Law and the roots of disadvantage? errrrrr...ummmmmmm.... silence should conclude this debate

And remember from the chaser decides: God is the real winner!.. my ass
I see. That makes me wonder why it is the Socialist Alliance and co are so horribly out of touch with the views of some 99% of actual working people.

Also, God seems to have beenused to support both sides of the argument,

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,17109693%5E25717,00.html

link said:
...God's involvement in politics in June, when the Anglican Bishop Philip Huggins held an ecumenical service to damn the Government's industrial relations reforms.

Criticising? On the contrary, ACTU president Sharan Burrow devoutly attended the service to hear God's verdict on unfair dismissal laws. I understand she found much spiritual refreshment in the homilies of Huggins, a former advisor to the Labor Treasurer.

So, no warnings then of Christian fundamentalism.
 

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chubbaraff said:
its that 13 year old girl who is a member of a special new age bigoted church who tells me she loves god things, what are those things, well i like praying, worshiping, singing, so what do you know about old growth logging, Industrial Law and the roots of disadvantage? errrrrr...ummmmmmm.... silence should conclude this debate
The average thirteen-year-old wouldn't know about old growth logging, Industrial Law or the roots of disadvantage. If you explained these things in terms that they'd understand (like 'when they cut really old trees down that we can't replace') then you might have more success. Unless their parents are particularly 'leftier-than-thou', they may not have even heard of the phrases.
I hold that children are groomed by public schools to be "Christian", even by means as innocent-seeming as having a parental opt-out rather than an opt-in.
 

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All religions are cults, what you see at hillsong is just a modern version of how christianity, islam, buddhism etc began.
 
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Every religion has things they do differently so i guess ur right about everyone being a cult.
Wats with those hail mary's ???
 

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Damage Inc. said:
I gotta start my own religion. There are so many fucking morons out there. They'll believe and do anything.
or you can join mine. i.e. the heavenly and holy assembly of the righteous ones. it works like pyramid selling, so join early and reap all the benefits!
 

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transcendent said:
sounds like a freaken cult to me.
exactly. it is a cult. simple as that.

anyone seen "ambush at waco"? or just know about waco?
 

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Not-That-Bright said:
All religions are cults, what you see at hillsong is just a modern version of how christianity, islam, buddhism etc began.
Pretty much. You'd think that people these days would be smarter or harder to convince.
 

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Personally i find the whole thing hillarious!

we used to have these hillsong type people come to our school, act cool, tell some inspirational stories about when they found jesus, sing some super cool pop shit, then offer to chat at lunch...

i seriously cant believe how deluded they are

oh they hours and classes i wasted arguing with these people!

hahah i even have some of their email adresses and i met up with one guy just to argue some more.

sad thing is they are very convincing.
If i were weaker id have easily been led astray.
Many people i know were.

People just tend to get sucked in waaaay to easily.

But Argue with these people for long enough and they really do start to resemble robots.

At first it seems they have an answer for everything...

But then the same analogies and arguments appear over and over again. Word for word. Same sentance structure. Same tone of voice...

But you have to be quick and agressive, they really are very charismatic, fast thinkers.

I love it when they realise theyre losing however, the looks on their faces!

then they try the whole suck up type "look, so u think that this is all primitive, that we believe in something that isnt real. Well youre a smart girl, and while alot of intelligent people have problems grasping the concept of god Einstein was a Christian, and he belived in science... "
then they bring out the compliemnts.. haha love it!

what sickens me however is that they draw people in by playing on weaknesses and fears.!!!
They play up the bits in your life that are difficult.
Blow them out of proportion.
Make them seem inescapeable.
And once youre at your most vulnerable, once they have cut you down...thats when they catch you.

Now i know theyre full of crap...

but i just want to know WHY they do it.

seriously. What do they personally get out of forcing others to covert.
Is it like some sort of disgusting game?
Too see how many people they can fool?
To play with the faults in out human condition?
 

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FUCK hillsong and anyone who supports hillsong. you're fucking brainwashed into giving your money to the business. it is one giant commercial lie
 

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Pierotte said:
Too see how many people they can fool?
To play with the faults in out human condition?
yes, and make money while you're at it.
 

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I see. That makes me wonder why it is the Socialist Alliance and co are so horribly out of touch with the views of some 99% of actual working people.
The socialist Alliance has no problem with religion, we frequently campaign shoulder to shoulder with religious people, but it seems its only the liberal Christians who want to talk to us, the rest will share our view but have an animosity against us because we stand up for gay rights and are at most part athiest. Nevertheless there are many in the alliance who still hold very christian world views even if they dont believe in God. Nevertheless in the Wollongong branch of the socialist alliance our staunchest allies are high school students and school administrations from catholic working class high schools. We cannot possibly and will never be able to collarborate with evangelicals like hillsong or the people i mentioned because they are put plainly... IGNORANT
 

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just out of interest, what role do you play in the socialist alliance?
 

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You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion. - reportedly said by L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology

so true.
 

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