NSW State Election Campaign discussion (5 Viewers)

[Rothbard]

This is in question also. Some news articles I were reading today suggested O'Farrel planned to cancel/end the cash back scheme. I can't actually find an official Liberal media release saying this, although that is what the Daily Telegraph and others were reporting earlier.

Oh my god that would be amazing.

That was literally the worst fucking policy Labor has come out with and they have come out with some real stinkers

 

[Rothbard]

Why? She is a genuinely nice person with certainly a real interest.

Hahahahahahahha. She's a joke. Labor in NSW is a joke.

 

[davidbarnes]

Hahahahahahahha. She's a joke. Labor in NSW is a joke.

You don't know her, I do.

 

[zombie omie jay]

elaborate

 

[Rothbard]

You don't know her, I do.

no you don't, shut up.

 

[Lentern]

Was that candidate graeme bird Lentern

No it was a woman, rather a young one to be in politics as well. To be fair my impression is that she was someone who had agreed to run for them rather than a party hard head, so to speak.

 

[Lentern]

you clearly have no idea what classical liberalism and anarchism are.

classical liberalism = small government
anarchism = no government

So yes, a government that can only mandate (with force might I add) what the national anthem should be fits the definition of a small government.

Has the LDP ever advocated for the total abolishment of the state? No. So go fuck yourself.

for the last time, classical liberalism =/= anarchism you fucking ignorant imbecile. Read some Locke or Mill before you open your fucking trap.

Only the most pathetic, dopey people in this place get hepped up about pedantics in what was clearly and obviously meant to be broad and sweeping exaggeration. But for you after you've labelled groups as communist, police statists, socialists, freedom haters and god knows what else. Really, Rothbard and Sylvester make some very impressive cases on behalf of "libertarians" you just undermine them every time you speak.

 

[Rothbard]

No it was a woman, rather a young one to be in politics as well. To be fair my impression is that she was someone who had agreed to run for them rather than a party hard head, so to speak.

Please read up on Graeme bird. You may injure yourself from the laughter.

Oh was that woman um, Lucy Gabb?

She's a very nice girl but yes she's an anarchist so probably shouldn't be fronting a party.

 

[Lentern]

If you had any knowledge of politics you could check yourself. As you don't seem to and may even be a greens voter I'll explain it to you. Have a look at the Hansard and look at the way he voted, always the opposite of Fred. How could a party continue and achieve anything if their two members always oppose each other. He was kicked out because of this and may be standing as an independent.

As I understood the reverend Nile basically shut down (or was ignoring) internal debate over any party position. I also understand that prior to 2006 it had been CDP that every vote on in parliament should be treated as a conscience vote, until Nile abolished that. In 2004, upon returning to the NSW upper house, I understand that Nile simply appointed himself parliamentary leader of the party without a ballot in any form. Moyes positions have remained consistent over the past twenty years, the Reverend Nile however has continuously lurched to the extreme right and won himself condemnations from Bishop Kevin Manning and anglican Archbishop Peter Jensen. Furthermore in recent years he has transformed a once democratic party into a dictatorial cult centred around himself. Officially he may have been expelled from the party, but if there was a betrayal, it was not by Moyes.

 

[Rothbard]

Also

the LDP seriously fucked up running Lisa Milat

Lisa Milat

Lisa has lived in the Southern Highlands for 24 years and has 2 children. She is a small business owner, servicing the Wollondilly area and Southern Tablelands.

Lisa was a LDP candidate for the Senate in the ACT at the last federal election.

She has been involved in the local and wider community in various heritage and environmental projects. She ran for Council in the Wingecarribee Shire in 2008 with her own group. Her team’s policies were to fix roads, reduce rates and levies, privatise waste management services and assist business to provide youth and family recreation venues.

Lisa believes too many laws in Australian society restrict law abiding citizens while having no impact on reducing crime.

I agree with her entirely but also her ... whatever

murderer MURDERER

 

[Rothbard]

As I understood the reverend Nile basically shut down (or was ignoring) internal debate over any party position. I also understand that prior to 2006 it had been CDP that every vote on in parliament should be treated as a conscience vote, until Nile abolished that. In 2004, upon returning to the NSW upper house, I understand that Nile simply appointed himself parliamentary leader of the party without a ballot in any form. Moyes positions have remained consistent over the past twenty years, the Reverend Nile however has continuously lurched to the extreme right and won himself condemnations from Bishop Kevin Manning and anglican Archbishop Peter Jensen. Furthermore in recent years he has transformed a once democratic party into a dictatorial cult centred around himself. Officially he may have been expelled from the party, but if there was a betrayal, it was not by Moyes.

He also looks beastly.

 

[Lentern]

Please read up on Graeme bird. You may injure yourself from the laughter.

Oh was that woman um, Lucy Gabb?

She's a very nice girl but yes she's an anarchist so probably shouldn't be fronting a party.

Her name is Megan Clark, she said "the best laws are the ones never written" about twenty times a minute and left Chris Ulhman looking though he wished he was lawyer instead.

 

[abbeyroad]

Only the most pathetic, dopey people in this place get hepped up about pedantics in what was clearly and obviously meant to be broad and sweeping exaggeration. But for you after you've labelled groups as communist, police statists, socialists, freedom haters and god knows what else. Really, Rothbard and Sylvester make some very impressive cases on behalf of "libertarians" you just undermine them every time you speak.

ohhhhhh so now having been proven wrong, it was all just "broad and sweeping exaggeration"???? that's strange cos you were acting like it was the absolute god given truth that the ldp is an anarchist party.

also I'm not a libertarian, so get your facts right before you attempt to hide your imbecility behind ad hominem attacks you dumb fuck.

 

[abbeyroad]

You know NSW is OPV right? So you can vote for your batshit wingding anarchist party or whatever.

there are no "anarchist parties", whatever they are, in australia you dimwit

What would you call the LDP? Aside from batshit and wingding.

lol you're the finest embodiment of stupidity.

classical liberalism =/= anarchism you dumbfuck.

go kill yourself.

Classical liberalism my arse, if you'd seen a single interview with one of their candidates it's pretty clear their idea of good government is one that just clips it's own wings further and further until it's an impotent little club that decides what the national anthem and socceroos jersey should be.

ohhh yes that reads like broad and sweeping exaggeration to me.

 

[Lentern]

Batshit, wingding, anarchists. Not quite the dizzying heights of when I described the coalition as children hating nazi's but I do notice nobody else fired up.

 

[Lentern]

also I'm not a libertarian, so get your facts right before you attempt to hide your imbecility behind ad hominem attacks you dumb fuck.

That's right you're a batshat, wingding child hating nazi anarchist. Sorry.

I also feel I should make clear for all the wingdings out there, there is nothing in the LDP's party policy platform about the socceroos as far I've read.

 

[Lolsmith]

ohhhhhh so now having been proven wrong, it was all just "broad and sweeping exaggeration"???? that's strange cos you were acting like it was the absolute god given truth that the ldp is an anarchist party.

also I'm not a libertarian, so get your facts right before you attempt to hide your imbecility behind ad hominem attacks you dumb fuck.

What are the major differences between libertarianism and classical liberalism?

Apart from the time periods they're associated with

 

[abbeyroad]

That's right you're a batshat, wingding child hating nazi anarchist. Sorry.

I also feel I should make clear for all the wingdings out there, there is nothing in the LDP's party policy platform about the socceroos as far I've read.

ahhh yesss more irrational, dogmatic thinking from Lentern.

"you're either a libertarian or a child hating nazi anarchist111!!!"
nice false dichotomy you twat. I'm neither. Does that make your head hurt or what????

why do you even bother man, you have nothing of value to contribute other than your fallacious dogmas and when refuted you always resort to ad hominem attacks. How boring, how predictable.

 

[abbeyroad]

What are the major differences between libertarianism and classical liberalism?

Apart from the time periods they're associated with

There is none. libertarianism is a broad category of which classical liberalism is a subset.
Any political theory which values individual liberty above all else can be classified as libertarianism.

Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism for a better understanding.

 

[Lolsmith]

There is none. libertarianism is a broad category of which classical liberalism is a subset.
Any political theory which values individual liberty above all else can be classified as libertarianism.

Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism for a better understanding.

Then what do you define yourself as? Anything in specific?