Multiculturalism (2 Viewers)

[ur_inner_child]

It's probably less about the guy being asian than his poor command of english. It doesn't really matter what his specific ethnicity was. Complaining about the quality of spoken english amongst different ethnicities is petty but it's not that much of an offence and probably something you'll have to get used too.

no, the bit that bothers (different to "offends") me is that he turns to me and says "no offence"

why did he make an association with me with an asian guy who couldn't speak english? why would i be offended? because he shares the same nationality?

its an unnecessary link

edit: unless you're saying i can't speak any english. which... would only confuse me since its the only language i know fluently.....

 

[xeuyrawp]

It's where all people are forced to practice one culture.

And, more importantly, forced to practice one set of laws.

Religious and cultural ideas are too prevalent in some people for them to live under mutually exclusive sets of laws.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Well under multiculturalism I do believe all people are supposed to follow one set of laws still

 

[gerhard]

what is this, an analogy competition?

 

[xeuyrawp]

Well under multiculturalism I do believe all people are supposed to follow one set of laws still

Yes, they're supposed to, but how can Koran-abiding Muslims hope to follow laws which place everyone as equals?

Either the Muslims will break their laws or ours. And as we've seen, they're going to frequently break ours to follow their cultural and religious practices.

 

[HotShot]

Yes, they're supposed to, but how can Koran-abiding Muslims hope to follow laws which place everyone as equals?

Either the Muslims will break their laws or ours. And as we've seen, they're going to frequently break ours to follow their cultural and religious practices.

and how do they break your laws? AND these laws dont place anyone equal -lol! you are living in a dream world. nothing is equal in this world.

 

[Sonic]

Yes, they're supposed to, but how can Koran-abiding Muslims hope to follow laws which place everyone as equals?

Either the Muslims will break their laws or ours. And as we've seen, they're going to frequently break ours to follow their cultural and religious practices.

WRONG... i dont see how you can say that when there are many verses in the QURAN which state equity beteen males and females blacks and whites and others.. also islam was the first religion to free slaves mostr of which were blacks.. the first muslim moa'zen (caller to prayer).. was a black man by the name of bilal.. now i see where your ideas about islam come from

 

[Captain Gh3y]

and how do they break your laws? AND these laws dont place anyone equal -lol! you are living in a dream world. nothing is equal in this world.

But what happened to

...islam gives more equality to women than christanity - its upfront.

 

[xeuyrawp]

you are living in a dream world. nothing is equal in this world.

I suppose we should just give up laws altogether...

WRONG... i dont see how you can say that when there are many verses in the QURAN which state equity beteen males and females

Yet so many that don't... Please argue with the verses I posted.

blacks and whites and others..

That's interesting... 700AD, and the Koran preaches diversity between blacks and Anglo-Saxons. Obviously those damned Anglos migrated earlier than we all thought...

also islam was the first religion to free slaves mostr of which were blacks.. the first muslim moa'zen (caller to prayer).. was a black man by the name of bilal..

No, sonic, so many Muslims still treat women like slaves. Just three days ago, I was out in Bankstown; a Muslim man was out with his son and wife. The wife was carrying all the shopping and looking after the son. And that was just three days ago.

now i see where your ideas about islam come from

1. The Koran; I've read it,
2. Passages and commentaries,
3. Muslim people. (Probably the biggest reason to hate Islam.)

 

[HotShot]

But what happened to

If you can read it say 'more equality'..

And PwarYuex how do that man was a muslim? I have just seen a christian women carrying huge box from kmart, while her husband was walking behind slowing carrying nothing.

 

[supercharged]

How could you tell that the woman was christian? Could of been an atheist.

 

[HotShot]

How could you tell that the woman was christian? Could of been an atheist.

cos she had a cross on her neck!

 

[erawamai]

I can't seriously believe that any muslim argues that Islam brings greater equality to women then christianity.

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Im sure women would much rather live in an islamic country then a christian one.

I'm not sure if you are qualified to speak on behalf of the subjective minds of women around the world. Especially since you are not a women and not Muslim. I have no doubt that many women who live in the Islamic world are very happy with their life, mainly because they see no other life. Just like the 'white trash' that exists in the USA or Australia that has never left their suburb. They are happy with their lot, but only because they don't know or have experienced any other way of life.

It would be like a Muslim male suggesting that a christian female would prefer to life under his watchful glare than in the immoral western world. From his objective point of view he is right. Just as you are right from your objective point of view.

The fact that muslims have the hide to get on here and say that women are treated as equals, exposes that muslims can say just about anything they want to.. But at the core the religion, or at least the followers of the religion, have sinister motives.

Islam has very different ideas as to the place of the women. To the liberalised and less fundementally religious west the plight of the islamic women is shocking. But if it doesnt hurt anyone why do people complain?

Islam = peace.
Women = same as men.

Simplistic calls like the above that appeal to the mob, who are unable to comprehend anything more than black and white, do not help the cause. By copying the ploy of those you seek to criticise you use the same methods of argument and the same approach thus lowering yourself to their level.

In any case do you think, being a male that is an old conservative, that you would like total female equality?

 

[xeuyrawp]

Simplistic calls like the above that appeal to the mob, who are unable to comprehend anything more than black and white, do not help the cause. By copying the ploy of those you seek to criticise you use the same methods of argument and the same approach thus lowering yourself to their level.

By talking about religion and people, we are already simplifying the subject to near black and white. Unless you'd like to be overly PC and start every sentence with 'the majority...' and 'in my experience...'

In any case do you think, being a male that is an old conservative, that you would like total female equality?

Um... You're having a go at him for simplifying things, and you're saying that just because he's conservative, he's anti-women's rights? I'm sorry to say, but your hypocrisy is quite astounding. That is unless you were making some kind of sarcastic comment...

Not only that, but isn't it obvious that he is far more pro-women than Islam, just by the way he speaks of Islam's treatment of women?

 

[Comrade nathan]

Not only that, but isn't it obvious that he is far more pro-women than Islam, just by the way he speaks of Islam's treatment of women?

He is not "pro-woman" when he talks about Islam and women, he is being a chauvinist. He doesn't care for the treatment of Arab women, he is chauvinist and a nationalist. He hates Arabs, that is why he criticises Islam. He promotes Christanity as something better then Islam. This is not coming from a materialist, humanist, atheist or secularist. This is coming from his hatred of Arabs.

 

[erawamai]

He is not "pro-woman" when he talks about Islam and women, he is being a chauvinist. He doesn't care for the treatment of Arab women, he is chauvinist and a nationalist. He hates Arabs, that is why he criticises Islam. He promotes Christanity as something better then Islam. This is not coming from a materialist, humanist, atheist or secularist. This is coming from his hatred of Arabs.

I have no idea what the anti PC faggot (I'm allowed to be politically incorrect right?) is talking about. All I can say is that he seems to be very good at jumping the aid of mathmite lite and well as flailing his arms about by starting post criticism in the 2nd part with two unrelated things followed by the accusation of hypocracy.

In any event I believe mathmite/terriblespellor is ironically (for the older conservative he is) hopping on the moral high ground of womens rights (I mean when were people of his far right social views believe in upwardly mobile women?) not because hes oh so interested in muslim women's rights (!!!!!!!) but because it just reaffirms his racial/cultural prejudices which make he feel alot better about himself as a person.


OR at least thats my view.

 

[xeuyrawp]

He is not "pro-woman" when he talks about Islam and women, he is being a chauvinist. He doesn't care for the treatment of Arab women, he is chauvinist and a nationalist. He hates Arabs, that is why he criticises Islam. He promotes Christanity as something better then Islam. This is not coming from a materialist, humanist, atheist or secularist. This is coming from his hatred of Arabs.

That would be a good point except for the fact that he only hates Arabs and Islam because of their terrible treatment of women (among other equally terrible things)...

I have no idea what the anti PC faggot (I'm allowed to be politically incorrect right?) is talking about.

Calling me faggot is just excessive. You don't need to make your point by being offensive.

I'd also like to point out that I'd prefer to be a faggot than a semi-closet case with 'I got over that phase' issues.

All I can say is that he seems to be very good at jumping the aid of mathmite lite and well as flailing his arms about by starting post criticism in the 2nd part with two unrelated things followed by the accusation of hypocracy.

Wow, mathmite and I occasionally have similar views -- I must be jumping in to aid him!

If you were observant, you'd probably notice that him and I only have occasional agreement. It's just that we're talking about nationalism, of which we share the same beliefs -- I suppose it would place us on the far right of the static 2D political spectrum for this issue. Nothing more.

but because it just reaffirms his racial/cultural prejudices which make he feel alot better about himself as a person.

I can't speak for him, but being a racist doesn't make me feel any better about myself.

 

[HotShot]

That would be a good point except for the fact that he only hates Arabs and Islam because of their terrible treatment of women (among other equally terrible things)...

Islam is a religon and ARabs are a race!. get that rite. u can say that arabs treat women in a bad way, but islam gives more equality to women than christanity. this is shown throughout history, for eg, women in europe had no rights during and before the empirial period. Before the middle east, muslim women had more rights than christian women.

Calling me faggot is just excessive. You don't need to make your point by being offensive.

faggot is what u r accept it!

I'd also like to point out that I'd prefer to be a faggot than a semi-closet case with 'I got over that phase' issues.

u r a faggot!

Wow, mathmite and I occasionally have similar views -- I must be jumping in to aid him!

If you were observant, you'd probably notice that him and I only have occasional agreement. It's just that we're talking about nationalism, of which we share the same beliefs -- I suppose it would place us on the far right of the static 2D political spectrum for this issue. Nothing more.

I can't speak for him, but being a racist doesn't make me feel any better about myself.

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everyone is rascist if you can show me person that is nt then i will believe you. i particularly hate jews, for their arrogance and their annoyance by explaining the holocaust a billion times. saying that i know there a few good jews, and one of them is my friend.

 

[erawamai]

Wow, mathmite and I occasionally have similar views -- I must be jumping in to aid him!

I find that a little odd considering he is our resident white supremacist. Even though with his new user account he has toned down his racism...just a tad.

I can't speak for him, but being a racist doesn't make me feel any better about myself.

I'd hope that you were not overtly racist.

But if you were then why on earth do you feel the need to be racist?

 

[xeuyrawp]

Islam is a religon and ARabs are a race!. get that rite.

I know that, jackass. Also note that Arabic ethnicity, Arabic culture, and Islamic religion all follow each other hand in hand.

u can say that arabs treat women in a bad way, but islam gives more equality to women than christanity. this is shown throughout history, for eg, women in europe had no rights during and before the empirial period. Before the middle east, muslim women had more rights than christian women.

I'm so glad you keep saying this because what I've studied shows you to be false. The Barbarian Invasion of Late Antiquity and the spread of Islam did nothing for women in the areas hit hardest.

faggot is what u r accept it!

Yes, way to be educated...

u r a faggot!

Thankyou for telling me, I hadn't noticed.

everyone is rascist if you can show me person that is nt then i will believe you. i particularly hate jews, for their arrogance and their annoyance by explaining the holocaust a billion times. saying that i know there a few good jews, and one of them is my friend.

I prefer Jews to Arabs; and Jews annoy the hell out of me. Mainly because they're excellent businessmen and salesmen. All the Jewish people I've worked with have made far better workers than I do.