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'We don't shoot at tyres': police call for calm following Kings Cross shooting
Stephanie Gardiner
April 23, 2012 - 12:40PM


Six males, from Sydney's western suburbs, were in the car that allegedly ran over a 29-year-old woman and hit a pedestrian on Bayswater Road about 4am on Saturday.

The group were allegedly trying to flee after two officers recognised the youths driving the car.

"In a bid to halt the car, police opened fire, hitting the 14-year-old male driver in the chest and arm, and a passenger, Troy Taylor, 18, in the neck." Photo: Jacky Ghossein
Police said the officers shot at the car in a bid to stop it, shooting the 14-year-old driver in the chest and arm and a passenger, 18-year-old Troy Taylor, in the neck.

Video footage taken by a witness and shown by several media outlets over the weekend appeared to show a police officer hitting Mr Taylor after dragging him out of the car and on to the street.

The girlfriend of the eldest passenger, 24-year-old Matthew Dalton from Mount Druitt, told the Herald that police should have dealt with the situation better by shooting at the car's tyres and warned of an uprising among young members of the indigenous community.

The woman also pointed to the case of T.J. Hickey who was impaled on a fence and died in 2004 after being followed by police, prompting riots in Redfern.

Assistant Commissioner Mark Murdoch said the police relationship with the Redfern community would not be permanently damaged by the shooting.

He called on people to carefully judge the whole incident "in context".

"I think it's important for us to keep calm about this," Mr Murdoch told ABC Radio this morning.

"What we've seen in the media over the weekend hasn't done anyone any favours, I don't think."

He said it was a "massive" decision for police to fire shots in any situation.

"I think we need to just bear a couple of things in mind.

"Number one: police don't shoot at tyres. If we are going to draw our firearms that is an absolute last resort for us and we draw our firearms to protect ourselves and others.

"We don't shoot at tyres."

He also urged the men's family and friends to await the outcome of an investigation.

Mr Murdoch did admit the shooting had not done much good for the police relationship with the Redfern community.

"But our relationship with the Redfern community is fantastic, I would suggest the best it's ever been.

"The community leaders in Redfern have a very strong relationship with our local area commander, Superintendent Luke Freudenstein, and his staff do a fantastic job.

"That relationship has been built over many years on mutual trust and respect and I don't think that relationship will be irrevocably damaged as a consequence of what happened on the weekend.

"It won't do it any good, but it's certainly not going to be fatal."

On Saturday the 14-year-old boy's barrister Christine Nash said the incident had nothing to do with Redfern.

"The family do not want any more troubles stirred in Redfern. This happened at Kings Cross. It's totally unrelated."

The Indigenous Social Justice Association has organised a rally at the front of NSW Parliament House at 1.30pm tomorrow.

Spokesman Raul Bassi said the rally is a reaction to the incident on Saturday morning and other recent police shootings.

"We cannot trust the investigation when police investigate themselves," Mr Bassi said.

"We are demanding independent investigations."

Speakers will include association members, while families of the men arrested in Kings Cross and representatives from The Greens have been invited to take part.

Mr Dalton, from Mount Druitt, was charged with being in a stolen car and was refused bail in Parramatta Court yesterday.

Other passengers, aged 14 and 16, also faced court charged with being in a stolen vehicle and were granted conditional bail.

A 13-year-old will appear in Bidura Children's court next month.



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/we-dont-s...ss-shooting-20120423-1xfoq.html#ixzz1sqs6PpoR
 

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wat do u reckon guys were the coppas justified in shooting these young children?

what about the alleged police brutality?

do we have another riot on our hands?
 

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14 year old driver?

i mean the shooting was definitely wrong imo but wtf was this kid thinking
 

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I think they were probably fine until they were caught on video bashing their gunshot wound victims.

I think the sticking point is that these kids were 14 and 8 and stuff, but I have no doubt the 8 year old would shank you in the kidney for a redbull.

On principle I don't agree with the cops shooting them


wait i just read they were from redfern

carry on coppas
 

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yes i heard lots about this 'bashing' today
then i watched the video
gets 2 punches in the head for not putting his hands behind his back, standard procedure. he was 17 also
 

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14 year old driver?

i mean the shooting was definitely wrong imo but wtf was this kid thinking
why was it wrong

this is one of the only times i can remember a police shooting that was justified (not involving a shootout)

i mean, they were driving on top of a ladies torso lol, she could have easily been seconds from being killed
 

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Of course they were justified. The cops shoot to kill - it is a shame they missed, although the job of stopping the vehicle was achieved anyway.

The (all Indigenous) children should serve out the next few years in juvenile detention.
 

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Of course they were justified. The cops shoot to kill - it is a shame they missed, although the job of stopping the vehicle was achieved anyway.

The (all Indigenous) children should serve out the next few years in juvenile detention.
what
 

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yes i heard lots about this 'bashing' today
then i watched the video
gets 2 punches in the head for not putting his hands behind his back, standard procedure. he was 17 also
I would hardly call it (the video on liveleaks) police brutality. It is the police trying to arrest someone who had jsut run over an innocent woman intentionally by their own actions.
 

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its a shame they missed being killed

oh ok
 

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why was it wrong

this is one of the only times i can remember a police shooting that was justified (not involving a shootout)

i mean, they were driving on top of a ladies torso lol, she could have easily been seconds from being killed
but shooting at them could have made them panic and swerve instead of stopping, potentially causing more damage. Allso they may have missed their shots and hit a bystander
 

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its a shame they missed being killed

oh ok
As in, the scum should have been killed. If the kid is stealing cars at 14, joyriding through Kings Cross at 4am on a Saturday night, driving a car onto a footpath packed full of pedestrians while being pursued by police and then running over an innocent woman and trying to keep driving, then there is little chance of rehabilitation. At best he will be in and out of jail his whole life while living on the dole and blaming white people for stealing his land.
 

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yeah that was a risk for sure
but in light of other available options, shooting them was the least risky imo
i guess thats why they undergo firearms training

or they could have just let them continue, driving on top of someones chest, dragging her under the vehicle

pretty good shots it would appear actually, 6 fired atleast 3 hitting their marks, through a windshield
 

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As in, the scum should have been killed. If the kid is stealing cars at 14, joyriding through Kings Cross at 4am on a Saturday night, driving a car onto a footpath packed full of pedestrians while being pursued by police and then running over an innocent woman and trying to keep driving, then there is little chance of rehabilitation. At best he will be in and out of jail his whole life while living on the dole and blaming white people for stealing his land.
all right then
 

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but shooting at them could have made them panic and swerve instead of stopping, potentially causing more damage. Allso they may have missed their shots and hit a bystander
If you watch the video of it, you see that the vehicle had already run over the woman before the two officers fired their weapons into it. the woman was pinned under the car and the driver was trying to accelerate and drive off (creating a whole heap of smoke from the back wheels). At that point the officers fired who were only 1-2m away from the vehicle almost point blank range (to protect the woman pinned under the car).
 

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If a cop is shooting at me through the windscreen I am more likely to stop than if he is shooting at my tires.
 

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