Juliar betrays australia, destroys our economic future (2 Viewers)

[muhahahahahaha]

Given you can't even spell Labor correctly, you straight off come off as as being unintelligent and/or blindsided in this discussion. The Labor government does have some problems, although the Liberal party have more problems and old wood lining their front benches (Bronwyn Bishop...).

Leave Andrew Bolt alone.

I had one spelling error...whilst you have a problem reading my post properly...i said "hell the entire goverment is shit...lets get rid of everyone and start fresh".
Im not saying that im supporting neo-liberalism...thats not what im saying at all. And yes, thats what i said "no point in keeping those old backward thinking bags running the show".
dude, read my comment before you make a direct attack.
why would i leave andrew bolt alone? the guy is a nutjob, you seem to be one of the only people who think that what he said is justified or good or something. what he said was wrong and racist and disgusting.

 

[Lentern]

>overwhelming majority
>minority government

http://www.newspoll.com.au/image_uploads/090906 Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme.pdf

 

[boris]

overwhelming majority
1 seat in the house of reps
after Gillards pre-election stance was no carbon tax

do you see where i am going with this

 

[cheese_cheese]

I'm not racist although Andrew Bolt makes good points on a wide range of issues, including climate change on occasion.

 

[cheese_cheese]

overwhelming majority
1 seat in the house of reps
after Gillards pre-election stance was no carbon tax

do you see where i am going with this

See Lentern's post above.

 

[boris]

oh thankyou lentern for a single poll from 2009 asking if people are in favour of a CARBON REDUCTION SCHEME (notice reduction scheme being the keyword, as opposed to tax)

 

[cheese_cheese]

oh thankyou lentern for a single poll from 2009 asking if people are in favour of a CARBON REDUCTION SCHEME (notice reduction scheme being the keyword, as opposed to tax)

It leads into an emissions trading scheme in 2015 though. It is only because the Liberals were being hostile and rolled Malcom Turnbull that we didn't start out straight off the bat with a market based emissions trading scheme (which Tony Abbott is on video as advocating for back in 2009).

 

[boris]

yes that is true it doesnt mean there is the same level of support for a carbon tax though does it

overwhelming majority

 

[Azure]

I find it more amazing that you continue to stick your head in the sand when it comes to the fact that in her very next sentence she says she does not rule out an emmisions trading scheme which is what this package is.

What on earth are you harping on about. This is currently a tax. The fact that it will eventually merge into something else has nothing to do with my point.

 

[muhahahahahaha]

It leads into an emissions trading scheme in 2015 though. It is only because the Liberals were being hostile and rolled Malcom Turnbull that we didn't start out straight off the bat with a market based emissions trading scheme (which Tony Abbott is on video as advocating for back in 2009).

again, as a nation we only produce about 1% of the world's total carbon emissions....why do we have to pay a higher tax ?
the price to pay is too high..industries shutting down...increased importing and a decrease in exporting means that we are going to have the biggest current account deficit...decrease in gdp, increase in unemployment
is it really worth it? is it really worth trying to minimise our 1% total carbon emissions for all of the negative impacts that the tax will have (economically)

 

[Blastus]

Convicted racist

hahahahahaahha I love you

 

[Azure]

Guys guys. You're missing the point. This is going to end our climate problems. Government has come to our rescue again heil the greens corporation

 

[Lolsmith]

I find it more amazing that you continue to stick your head in the sand when it comes to the fact that in her very next sentence she says she does not rule out an emmisions trading scheme which is what this package is.

um

 

[pony_magician]

 

[cheese_cheese]

again, as a nation we only produce about 1% of the world's total carbon emissions. and a decrease in exporting means that we are going to have the biggest current account deficit...decrease in gdp, increase in unemployment
is it really worth it? is it really worth trying to minimise our 1% total carbon emissions for all of the negative impacts that the tax will have (economically)

This is an excellent point and my main qualm with it. Australia's action on climate change (based on the legislation yesterday) will reduce the world temperature by approximately 0.004 of 1 degrees Celsius. Some scientists say slightly more (although still miniscule) although others such as Bolt say even less.

 

[na110793]

Climate change is a myth.

 

[muhahahahahaha]

This is an excellent point and my main qualm with it. Australia's action on climate change (based on the legislation yesterday) will reduce the world temperature by approximately 0.004 of 1 degrees Celsius. Some scientists say slightly more (although still miniscule) although others such as Bolt say even less.

thanks cheese but yes, my point exactly..its not going to reduce the carbon emissions by much so why implement the tax knowing that there are horrible negative implications if we do so!

 

[Blastus]

Scientists such as Andrew Bolt (PBUH) show that tim flannery said it would have no impact for 1000 years

that's like 8 election cycles

 

[qawe]

I am a part of the overwhelming majority of Australians who in 2009 sent out very clear messages to the leadership of the Liberal Party: Get that emissions trading scheme passed. Many of us have since succumbed to the belligerent invective of which we were subjected to from Jones, Bolt, Murdoch and the rest of the hate media but those of us who never gave up the fight are proud to now be standing up for the silent majority of Australians who believe in action against climate change, who believe in putting a price on carbon and who believe in a sustainable future.

u havent countered any of my arguments, you've just said that heaps of people believe/believed/should believe your argument
and my initial comment was re a proper carbon tax scheme, without the wealth redistribution package... ill leave that for others to argue

 

[muhahahahahaha]

u havent countered any of my arguments, you've just said that heaps of people believe/believed/should believe your argument
and my initial comment was re a proper carbon tax scheme, without the wealth redistribution package... ill leave that for others to argue

yes, the whole concept of the wealth redistribution package is absurd...
so some people will pay tax..and because they are poorer, they will get government subsidy....which may actually put more money into their pockets than what they had initially paid for the tax.
so what the fuck is the point of the tax if people are going to end up with MORE money in their pockets?