Israel–Gaza conflict (4 Viewers)

[Nebuchanezzar]

report the posts and quit bitching k.


anywho, Neb you said before that it's israels fault when a Palestinian human shield dies, because they knowingly kill them, do you blame Hamas for using them at all? Or is it completely Israels fault?

i blame hamas about 1% or so. silly thing to do, but it's not as if they're forcing the israelis to kill the civilians...at all...

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yeah?

i mean, as comradeKGB said, they have nothing. they fight for food, freedom, water, electricity, israels destruction etc, and they don't want to be killed. israel is at fault 99%.

it is like asking who is at fault if a father throws a bratty child off a bridge. MEBBE THE CHILD SHOULD HAVE BEEN WELL BEHAVED!?!?!?

 

[tacogym27101990]

haha i signed a petition against this at sydney uni from the socialist alternative group.
i'm against the conflict, but honestly, do they actually believe a petition is going to stop it???

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

i asked them that about twenty times and they keep saying yes

 

[КГБ]

socialist alternatives are a bunch of fucking wankers. stay away from them

 

[$hiftyIceQueen]

human life has only been given value for what ? a few hundred years after the renaissance and age of enlightenment ?

those children have been brought up into a situation that neither your or i can fathom. human shields are wrong, but where do we draw the line for "wrong" when your fighting for freedom. freedom isnt cheap. its bloody dirty, gruesome, and ugly. but in the long run it always pays off. history has proven so.

Come on! These are kids, if you're using adults who know what theyre doing and are willing to be used then that's their choice, but when a child is used it shouldn't ever be seen as something ok or right. How many of them are making the decision to be used as a human shield?

IMO, even if Palestine/Hamas was to win and get all the land they lost back, it wouldn't take away the amount of people who died being used as human shields. There are other ways to win a war than using children.

i blame hamas about 1% or so. silly thing to do, but it's not as if they're forcing the israelis to kill the civilians...at all...

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yeah?

i mean, as comradeKGB said, they have nothing. they fight for food, freedom, water, electricity, israels destruction etc, and they don't want to be killed. israel is at fault 99%.

it is like asking who is at fault if a father throws a bratty child off a bridge. MEBBE THE CHILD SHOULD HAVE BEEN WELL BEHAVED!?!?!?

Would any of you let your mother die so you can live? Would you let your children die so you can live?

Israel has used Palestinian children as human shields before, wanna know why? Because they knew the Palestinians won't kill them. They never used ISRAELI children as human shields though. Maybe Palestinians should do what the Israelis have done rather than let their own people die? Using your own people as human shields is probably the stupidest thing ever. None cares if they kill their enemy, even if they are children.

They have nothing. I know that, i'm not stupid. It still doesn't make it more right to use children as human shields though. The adults knows what they're doing, yet they stay far away and use others, watch them die while they plan other attacks. Most of which end up doing shit all.

 

[rasengan90]

The best argument I got out of a Socialist Alternative member was "Do you know that there are Jews against this war too?". Fucking brilliant.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

ok cool but the blame still goes to the one who pulled the trigger. the choice to kill was on the israeli side.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

The best argument I got out of a Socialist Alternative member was "Do you know that there are Jews against this war too?". Fucking brilliant.

what were you arguing?

 

[moll.]

human life has only been given value for what ? a few hundred years after the renaissance and age of enlightenment ?

Less than that dude. It really only was created after the horrors of the First World War and then gained public momentum in the West after World War Two, especially thanks to the Nuremburg Trials.
Hell, I'm reading Tolstoy at the moment, who was writing in the 1860's and 70's, and in the book one of the charcters was criticised by the others for showing any remorse for the peasants and their destitution. It was normal back then to view the world and it's people in a hierarchy of importance. Although admittedly it was done by a Russian, and they're not exactly the best examples.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

i started to read war and peace and got up to the second part of the first chapter, then retired.

 

[rasengan90]

what were you arguing?

Nothing about whether Jews should or shouldn't agree with the war. I said something about Sderot and Ashkelon being hit by the qasam rockets, simply because I wanted to provoke her. She then said "You know there are some Jews who don't support this war! Those are the only Jews I care about!". She might have been assuming I was Jewish which is still funny. Either way, its not an argument.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

hahaha, true, true. which SA member was it?

 

[moll.]

i started to read war and peace and got up to the second part of the first chapter, then retired.

Haha, yeah it's a tedious read. I started in early December and am only up to part 12 out of the 15 volumes. Parts of it are just pain boring. But most of it's a good read.

 

[rasengan90]

hahaha, true, true. which SA member was it?

I don't know. I think my smile and her look of disgust created an atmosphere in which it was inappropriate to ask her name.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

daww man. what did she look like? i know these people mang (help them out at election time) and i want to know which one it is so i can argue with them also?

 

[rasengan90]

Wtf? You actually help them at election time?

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

i want an src where i have a tiny amount of influence man

 

[КГБ]

i have punch ups with socialist alternatives. fucking play the ethnic card 99% of the time.

 

[justanotherposter]

You been living under a rock?

Yeah because the Jews are a race right?
Just like the Muslims are a race?
And the Christians are a race?
I'm part of the Agnostic race.

You tard.

 

[moll.]

The Jews are a lot different to any of them. Many people around the world identify themselves as Jewish but also atheist or irreligious. The word "Jew" doesn't just encompass the religion, it can also be extended to an entire culture and ethnic identity.