Islam Discussion (3 Viewers)

[Not-That-Bright]

Big bang follows my beliefs, not against it so im not going to argue it. What I am arguing is that you cant say god had to be created, and that this super atom could have always been there. And now what, we are pulling the "we dont have the technology" argument?! When we did that it wasn't sufficient, so don't try that on us.

And no, im not restructuring my response- because you understood it and you just said that to be a jack-ass.

Let me explain what the problem is... while the big bang has yet to provide ALL the answers, it has so far worked well with what we have discovered. It is wrong to simply choose to believe in God just because science cannot provide you with all the answers and a diety can (well, not provide you with REAL answers, but you know... at least you'll have 'faith').

 

[Riqtay]

There has just been news of a person in SEATLLE of a man dieing after having sex with a horse. It doesn't matter where it happens, it matters what happens. You should look up how much animal pornography comes up when you look for music on Limewire.

In countries such as India, Indonesia and Vietnam, there are people who engage in sex with children as young as 5.

Also, it is not courteous to blaspheme against other peoples religions leaders. This is a discussion and negative comments should be kept to oneself.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

In countries such as India, Indonesia and Vietnam, there are people who engage in sex with children as young as 5.

Bolded as it is one of the most religious and the largest muslim nation in existance.

 

[Riqtay]

If you are implying that some Muslims also engage in this sort of activity, then you would be correct. Not every Muslim is righteous nor is every Christian Jew or Hindu. The teachings of these religions are however pure and teach peace, harmony and set out moral guidelines for our behaviour in this world.

The actions of some individuals of a particular religion (ie so called Islamic Jihadists) doesn't reflect the religion itself. It just explians that these individuals are unlearned and ignorant and their actions are not associated with the teachings of their respective religions.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

But do moral guidelines have to include a diety? Also what is the purpose of the non-humanist elements of the different religious texts, for example the rule in christianity that you must attend church every saturday... what is the purpose of that?

 

[Riqtay]

I don't understand you question. Can you be more elaborate?

 

[Riqtay]

Again, Blasphemy is very unwise and uncourtious. It is absolutely incorrect for you to make such a fantastic claim. I would like to know where you have gotten such information?

 

[veterandoggy]

This is very ironic. A person who follows the teachings of a man who raped a 9 year old girl is preaching to others about controlling ones urges.

he raped her? wow. i must sit with you, youre very enlightening, especially when you talk of stuff you dont know.

 

[MoonlightSonata]

This is in response to Moonlight Sonata's argument.

Just so you are aware, my argument against what you said was much more extensive. I still await a response to what I said here.

I believe that this life is only very short compared to the hereafter. Imagine if you were paralyzed tommorow and you couldn't do anything. You would then live your 70 years in misery and suffering.

Assuming there is an afterlife, which is highly dubious. There is no evidence to support such a contention whatsoever.

The VAIN pursuit of pleasure is very dangerous indeed,

Pleasure for human beings is not dangerous, if we maximise pleasure for everyone.

as old forms of pleasure become too boring and so people pursue other so called forms of pleasure.

Happiness entails more than just physical pleasure.

Fornication is one such vain pursuit. By fornicating, you will satisfy your urges instantly rather than chanelling them through marriage.

There is nothing wrong with that. Please explain how sharing pleasure with someone is wrong.

People would then lead to try new things, for example having sexual relations with the same sex.

There is nothing wrong with being attracted to the same sex. I do not know where you got that from.

soon, that would become unentertaining and then people may start having sexual relations with children.

Your argument seems to be that when people are allowed to have pleasure in their lives, they get bored with it and find new forms of pleasure. This completely ignores the facts that: (1) there are different forms of pleasure; (2) you cannot be happy all the time, the vicissitudes of life just won't let that be; and (3) other forms of pleasure are not necessarily bad.

[By-the-by, regarding God: Even if I accept your argument entirely, it says nothing whatever about the rightness of religious ethics. Indeed, if I accept the logic of your argument it is because it is a valid application of reason. It has nothing to do with religion.]

Some individuals may even consider having sexual relations with animals etc. . .the cycle continues.

What?

You think if everyone is allowed to have sex before marriage they will start having sex with animals? Newsflash: most people do have sex before marriage. They do not engage in bestiality. (And additionally, there are quite logical arguments that contend that there is nothing morally wrong about bestiality so long as the animal consents.)

Instead of uncontrollably pursuing pleasure, I believe one should gain pleasure under certain guideline ie by having sexual relations after marriage.

Why? You offer absolutely no justification for that proposition.

 

[withoutaface]

Fornication is one such vain pursuit. By fornicating, you will satisfy your urges instantly rather than chanelling them through marriage.

You know you can have deep feelings for someone and not be married to them.

 

[tfiuc]

Let me explain what the problem is... while the big bang has yet to provide ALL the answers, it has so far worked well with what we have discovered. It is wrong to simply choose to believe in God just because science cannot provide you with all the answers and a diety can (well, not provide you with REAL answers, but you know... at least you'll have 'faith').

I never said that I believed in god simply because science cant prove everything. Im pro science, and do believe it could one day provide all the answers to all our questions.

edit: Of course I mean that it will provide the answers to all our questions of this universe and existance, not answers about god and other hidden creations (like other universes).

 

[zahid]

You know you can have deep feelings for someone and not be married to them.

ok I am serious here, Like if I like someone very much then I would kind of want to marry them, like wouldn’t you? If you love someone soo deeply, then does it not make sense to spend your life with them...like seriously, I am really interested to know what you think...gimme some examples to plz.

Because I am thinking about getting married in 1st or second yr at uni, so I want to know things.

 

[Generator]

ok I am serious here, Like if I like someone very much then I would kind of want to marry them, like wouldn’t you? If you love someone soo deeply, then does it not make sense to spend your life with them...like seriously, I am really interested to know what you think...gimme some examples to plz.

Because I am thinking about getting married in 1st or second yr at uni, so I want to know things.

(emphasis added)

Why? If you love someone so deeply, then why should you get married? Why is a marriage regarded as being necessary for a lifelong relationship? Why, zahid?

 

[withoutaface]

ok I am serious here, Like if I like someone very much then I would kind of want to marry them, like wouldn’t you? If you love someone soo deeply, then does it not make sense to spend your life with them...like seriously, I am really interested to know what you think...gimme some examples to plz.

Because I am thinking about getting married in 1st or second yr at uni, so I want to know things.

Even if I did feel that deeply for my s/o I would not get married at this stage because it would not be financially viable for us to hold a wedding and move in together. Not to mention that I view marriage as a somewhat pointless societal construct.

 

[zahid]

does a marriage not metaphorically "wrap up" our love forever as we are both committed to eachother, and would like each others company for the rest of our lives.

 

[zahid]

Even if I did feel that deeply for my s/o I would not get married at this stage because it would not be financially viable for us to hold a wedding and move in together. Not to mention that I view marriage as a somewhat pointless societal construct.

ok what if you were financially secure, and you were in love? NOW

 

[Generator]

does a marriage not metaphorically "wrap up" our love forever as we are both committed to eachother, and would like each others company for the rest of our lives.

And such things cannot be expressed within a defacto relationship, I take it?

 

[zahid]

defacto is just that. It's a dam "defacto" its not romantic at all.
So instead of "will you marry me" just settle for "oi lets just live together"

edit: marriage is more than just living together by the way.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

To me, the purpose of marriage is the following.
- To declare to your friends/family that you have a commitment to each other.
and
- To allow the parents to have an official relinquishing of their son/daughter to their significant other.

 

[Generator]

defacto is just that. It's a dam "defacto" its not romantic at all.
So instead of "will you marry me" just settle for "oi lets just live together"

Committing yourself to a long term relationship is not a romantic act, zahid?

edit: marriage is more than just living together by the way.

and so is a defacto relationship, zahid.