Islam Discussion (3 Viewers)

[googooloo]

You really believe that if you do that, you can talk to animals?

Ok, to prove you wrong I'll try what you've just said. If it doesn't work, then you're a liar.

But do you believe in Allah? If not then it porpably won't.

 

[sexy_italian]

ohk from what i've read the muslim girl is trying to convice you all that her religion is the right one and the rest of you are trying to ask her what makes her religion right and how is it true. all i have to say is that the muslim girl is just defending her religion and with everything that is going on in the world today that is fair enough but i dont see y she is imposing her belifs on others, i'm sorry but that isn't right. and with the people that are asking her what makes her religion true, who cares what makes any religon true, we can't prove a single religion in the world so what makes islam any different i think everyone just needs to take a deep breath and think about what your doing and saying to each other.

 

[sexy_italian]

i dont mean to sound like i'm bagging everyone out i am just puting my point of view across which everyone has the right to. so i'm sorry if what i say offends anyone.

 

[acmilan]

ohk from what i've read the muslim girl is trying to convice you all that her religion is the right one and the rest of you are trying to ask her what makes her religion right and how is it true. all i have to say is that the muslim girl is just defending her religion and with everything that is going on in the world today that is fair enough but i dont see y she is imposing her belifs on others, i'm sorry but that isn't right. and with the people that are asking her what makes her religion true, who cares what makes any religon true, we can't prove a single religion in the world so what makes islam any different i think everyone just needs to take a deep breath and think about what your doing and saying to each other.

But thats the thing, she is saying it is definitely true, there is no doubt about it. Hence the counter arguments.

 

[sexy_italian]

ohk from what i've read the muslim girl is trying to convice you all that her religion is the right one and the rest of you are trying to ask her what makes her religion right and how is it true. all i have to say is that the muslim girl is just defending her religion and with everything that is going on in the world today that is fair enough but i dont see y she is imposing her belifs on others, i'm sorry but that isn't right. .

the begining i state that yes she shouldnt be imposing her belifs on you people but she is not only in the wrong

 

[sexy_italian]

But thats the thing, she is saying it is definitely true, there is no doubt about it. Hence the counter arguments.

i understand that and i dont agree with her doing that

 

[SashatheMan]

If god did exist and told us of what he/she/it is like then why wouldn't you know? Now who contradictes themself?( though I don't believe I have, it it seemed so it was only becuase I didn't explain myself fully before.)

i dont contradict myself.

if god truellywas real and he personally told me in a way i know it was him , then i would believe in him. he hasnt done that to anyone , so it leaves me to believe people create a a lie and pretend he is real

 

[SashatheMan]

Not copying like that obviously. I meant just as veterandoggy said, from your mind. Use your mind and try and see if you can create a verse like the qur'an. You never answered me if that poem I put up was Shakespeare or not? Cuse you don't know, there goes your Shakespeare arguement. Are you waiting until to have searched through all Shakespeare's works first to see if is there before you answer. That's cheating. Should be able to tell right on site, according to you anyway.

Yes the True Furqan is clearly fake, which means you cannot replicate the qur'an from your own mind, because they are the words of god. But still I'd like to see you try so you realise what I am saying is true, that it is infalable. :uhhuh:

i dont know what the hell yuor talking about . i never searched shakespears work , becuase you cannot create something in old enlgish yuo said it yuorself. and even if you could, it would have shakepsears style anyway . dont talk bullshit.

you make a claim that if yuo knew old enlgish you could write like shakespear. well if i knew arabic i would write the quran. but since i can read the english translation i can see thats i can easily make a verse in my head of the english translation.

 

[SashatheMan]

There why discuss if it is proof or not, or can be replicated or not if you are not willing to actually make somethign of your arguement. So you're being a newcence(sorry don't know how to spell that word!) in other words cuase your rabiting on about nothing.

can you replicate ancient greek texts? i dont think so. just becuase yuo cant do it , it doesnt mean its impossible someone who knows ancient greek can.

dotn give people a challenge that is obviously flaud in the sence that people dont know arabic to try to replicate it.

 

[SashatheMan]

I have one thing for you. I can say they are true becuase erytime I pray to god, sincerely, and ask for something it comes to pass. You may think it appears to come to pass like a miracle, but it doe snot happen out of the blue. It flows withthe natural order of things, and if you did not believe you would not think it to be god, but it only happened after you asked god.

True story, for as a muslim I uphold to no-lying:

I wanted to wear hijab (I am a convert), my mother wouldn't let me thinking the world had become to dangerous.
I asked allah, at the tiem when he listens most carefully, at the sunnah prayer (salat) of Tahajjud. It is between 12midniht and 2am, becuase it is sunnah you don't have ot do it, but I did becuase I need allah's help badly.

So I asked, after performing worship (like you see muslims do in the 5 daily oblicatory prayers, prostrating themselves before allah), and then asked "Please allah, let my mother say it is okay for me to wear hijab. Let it be before I go back to school. Let it be the week before, a few days before if it must, but in the last week of holidays, if it does not happen before then, let it be then. I beg of you allah, for hijab is part of my duty to you, adn I am ready to do so, as I feel I have achieved inner-hijab, I can now wear the outer-hijab."

Then randomly I felt this urge ot ask my mom if I could wear it out, I was going ot the shops and just htough, it must be now! I must ask her now1 She said yes, wihtout hesitation. It was like she was hypnotized. I couldn't believe it. And I have worn hijab ever since. That is the most miraculous out of all the things I have sincerely asked of allah. If you don't focus and sk properly though, or have doubt it iwll happen it wont' because you aren't placing faith inallah, so why should you ahev it happen, but soemtimes it does, so that allah will guide you to show that he is there and your faith neednot wane in the slightest.

yuor story soudns like a nagging child asking thier parents to go to disney land and when the parent submits and sais yes, you say allah helped you.

if allah really would help u wear a hajb yuor mum would come up to you and tell yuo i changed my mind i insist yuo wear it.

 

[SashatheMan]

In Indonesia they use the Qur'an to deflect bullets. The bullets don't go into the qur'an and become lodged, but is deflected. If anyone saw that mythbusters episode where the bullet went straight throguh the bible, this may shock you, if you know what's good for you.

now yuor tlaking shit.

did mytthbusters use a quran for the same experiment?

 

[SashatheMan]

But do you believe in Allah? If not then it porpably won't.

are yuo tlaking about your pet dog, who yuo gave a biscuit to and said sit and he obeyed. wow allah is powerful.

 

[MoonlightSonata]

Perfect perfect perfect. Don't keep asking me the same question if you don't listen to the answer!

I told you many times why. If you don't want to see me repeat the smae thing, stop saking. Clearly my "sad" comment was true.:uhhuh:

You have not answered the question. You keep replying with your belief, not the reason behind your belief.

This is your argument:

1. The Quran cannot be reproduced by anyone today.
2. Therefore everything that is written in it is true.

If you cannot see how utterely illogical that argument is, then there really is no point you continuing the discussion.

You claim the Quran is "perfect". We ask you why it is perfect. You still do not respond. Please understand that you keep asserting opinions without giving any reason for believing those opinions.

It is like me saying that Alice in Wonderland is perfect, therefore it must be true. What makes it perfect? The idea that something can be "perfect" is an illusion anyway -- how do you judge perfection? You cannot. No-one agrees on what perfect is, and even if they did it would only be a vague concept defined by a large consensus of humans, which does not in anyway guarantee the truth of it.

 

[googooloo]

OMG! I have done what you ask over and over again to many of you people. I do not need to prove to you why I believe in something as much as you don't need to prove why you may believe in aliens, or athiesm is the key or nihilism.

The Qur'an is perfect beause it is the word of god.
One proof of this is the predicitons within the qur'an, another is its inability to be replicated, reproduced, whatever word you wish to use.
I always had s belief in god. But the christian way of worship I disliked, then I found Islam. Everythign in Islam made sence to me, so I joined the righteous path.
That is why. The brilliance of the Qur'an is the miracle given to The Last Prophet of Allah as his sign of being a prophet and that this really was god. It is also, as I have also said, a way of keeping the faith form shifting, a way of keeping the core of wroship safe and untainted adn unaltered due to the inability of tampering wiht its words, even if you tried (i.e The True Furqan imitation qur'an).

The end.

Now if you have no other questions better to ask, do not ask them, otherwise the circle, this crazy roundabout will only continue, same questions (Qur'an shows us that this always happens, same questions and same answers form non-believers, you've been running hte same line for 1425 years!), and I will always give you the same answers, beucase you ask the same questions. Either try to understand or don't ask any questions at all.

 

[SashatheMan]

OMG! I have done what you ask over and over again to many of you people. I do not need to prove to you why I believe in something as much as you don't need to prove why you may believe in aliens, or athiesm is the key or nihilism.

The Qur'an is perfect beause it is the word of god.
One proof of this is the predicitons within the qur'an, another is its inability to be replicated, reproduced, whatever word you wish to use.
I always had s belief in god. But the christian way of worship I disliked, then I found Islam. Everythign in Islam made sence to me, so I joined the righteous path.
That is why. The brilliance of the Qur'an is the miracle given to The Last Prophet of Allah as his sign of being a prophet and that this really was god. It is also, as I have also said, a way of keeping the faith form shifting, a way of keeping the core of wroship safe and untainted adn unaltered due to the inability of tampering wiht its words, even if you tried (i.e The True Furqan imitation qur'an).

The end.

Now if you have no other questions better to ask, do not ask them, otherwise the circle, this crazy roundabout will only continue, same questions (Qur'an shows us that this always happens, same questions and same answers form non-believers, you've been running hte same line for 1425 years!), and I will always give you the same answers, beucase you ask the same questions. Either try to understand or don't ask any questions at all.

out of all that the closest reason why you think its true and a word of god is that you think it cannot be "replicated, reproduced,".

There are two ways in my mind at looking at that, but if yuo choose either one, it shows you that your still wrong about the idea that the quran cannot be replicated:

One way at looking at it, is that nothing can be replicated to the exact way the original author ment it to be.
you may claim that you can write liek shakespeak or that yuor as talented as a song writter, but how is that true? you cant write exactly how any of them intended, its impossible, becuase tehre is so much deeper intensions of the author you cant replicate when u simple make a song or sometihng.. Example would be the mona lisa painting that many people made copies of it , but none of them are seen as priceless as the original.this makes yuor argument stupid.

another way at looking at it , is that anything can be observed and then copied to a very similar standard. using the same example a replica of the mona lisa, looks exactly the same and i dont think that you can distinguish between a real and a fake without proper knowledge of it. so anything is possible to be copied to a very similar degree. once again yuor wrong.

 

[Sonic]

out of all that the closest reason why you think its true and a word of god is that you think it cannot be "replicated, reproduced,".

There are two ways in my mind at looking at that, but if yuo choose either one, it shows you that your still wrong about the idea that the quran cannot be replicated:

One way at looking at it, is that nothing can be replicated to the exact way the original author ment it to be.
you may claim that you can write liek shakespeak or that yuor as talented as a song writter, but how is that true? you cant write exactly how any of them intended, its impossible, becuase tehre is so much deeper intensions of the author you cant replicate when u simple make a song or sometihng.. Example would be the mona lisa painting that many people made copies of it , but none of them are seen as priceless as the original.this makes yuor argument stupid.

another way at looking at it , is that anything can be observed and then copied to a very similar standard. using the same example a replica of the mona lisa, looks exactly the same and i dont think that you can distinguish between a real and a fake without proper knowledge of it. so anything is possible to be copied to a very similar degree. once again yuor wrong.

ah no my friend there you are wrong the QURAN can be replicated but any alteration would make the structure and meaning irrelevant and out of place... if you read the quran and you might not or any book of god for that matter you will be able to notice a pattern that is easily shown through the verses and general ideas presented

 

[SashatheMan]

ah no my friend there you are wrong the QURAN can be replicated but any alteration would make the structure and meaning irrelevant and out of place... if you read the quran and you might not or any book of god for that matter you will be able to notice a pattern that is easily shown through the verses and general ideas presented

NTB already said the same thing about a song
that its rhythm and its tone and words used . they cant be replicamed to the same way as the original artists wanted it.

 

[veterandoggy]

wow, 2 days and i have all this reading to do?!?

there are many things like what googoolooo said, such as reading a verse and you become blind to the disbelievers. when the chapter of the quran came down condemning muhammad's uncle and his wife, his uncle's wife came looking for him. he was sitting with abu bakr at the time, and when abu bakr saw her he told the prophet that he should go away. he said not to worry and read a verse from the quran, i dont remember which one, but when i find the book i read it in ill post it if anyone is interested. she came and talked to abu bakr about the prophet, as if he wasnt there, and she then walked off.
i dont think this and others will work with any muslim even. you must believe that it will actually take effect, and have a strong faith.

NTB already said the same thing about a song
that its rhythm and its tone and words used . they cant be replicamed to the same way as the original artists wanted it.

i thought weird al (or the fake one anyway) made pretty good parodies of famous songs?

 

[SashatheMan]

i thought weird al (or the fake one anyway) made pretty good parodies of famous songs?

yes parodies are humourous, much like the parody of the quran. Thats some funny stuff

 

[Not-That-Bright]

All arguments about the koran being perfect, and this being a reason for believing are just bs... Wake up to yourselves muslims, It's sad.