Homosexuality in Australia (8 Viewers)

[ElendilPeredhil]

Becuase homosexuality is not the kind of behaviour that should be given equal status with normal people, children should not have to be exposed to this filth in any dynamic, especially people who are four times as likely to be pedophiles. Infact, nothing would be better than these people, these "gays" going back to the dark underground hole from which they came from and not mess about with the lives of society, incase you haven't noticed our society hasn't survived and grown from men having anal sex.
Hopefully, in every.
It should not be policy to teach opinion.
Yes you openly support a policy that detriments normal people in society as a whole, and benifits people who have nothing to do with you. Do you really think I take you seriously?
Becuase it would be alot like giving every indonesian voting rights in our elections. What does it say about society when two flamers can get married just as a normal person can?
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Homosexuals should bear the weight of any actions they commit, that includes highly increased rates of pedophilia.

Mainly out of curiosity, do you have a problem with female homosexuals? You only ever seem to mention men.

I'm willing to accept that homosexuals should bear the weight of any actions they commit if you are willing to similarily deny rights to groups such as: african americans and aboriginals, who commit much higher rates of crime based on their population, as well as priests, who shouldn't be able to marry because they molest alter boys, heterosexual men who by and large are responsible for 99.999% of all wars, and german women, because one of them spawned Hitler.

Having such a right would disgust people, most people neither want or need such a "right," its offensive.

I think you would find that you are minority. Most straight people don't find it 'disgusting' any more than gay people find straight marriage disgusting. I know many people who would find their new right to marry someone of the same sex more funny than anything else.

I really don't understand your problem with it.
What exactly makes it 'not normal'?

How does gay marriage act as a detriment to straight people as a whole? Why should it have any affect on society?

An 25 year old girl can marry a 75 year old man. Is that normal? No, strictly speaking. But does it hurt anyone? The fact I think its gross doesn't mean I would deny that girl the right to do so.

 

[bshoc]

Mainly out of curiosity, do you have a problem with female homosexuals? You only ever seem to mention men.

To fulfil you curiosity, I don't have any ingrained problem with male or female homosexuals, what other people do with their personal lives is nobody else's business, however once these people try and change laws, opinions or values that I value and apply to ME, changes I dont like or appreciate, thats when these people earn themselves opposition.

Any good parent in a good will teach their kids that homosexuality is not the right way to live, and since homosexuals cant have kids or families, they really need to stay the f*ck out of other peoples business, the same way I don't tell them what to do with their clubs etc.

I'm willing to accept that homosexuals should bear the weight of any actions they commit if you are willing to similarily deny rights to groups such as: african americans and aboriginals, who commit much higher rates of crime based on their population, as well as priests, who shouldn't be able to marry because they molest alter boys, heterosexual men who by and large are responsible for 99.999% of all wars, and german women, because one of them spawned Hitler.

Stop conflating racial identity with sexual orientation.

I think you would find that you are minority. Most straight people don't find it 'disgusting' any more than gay people find straight marriage disgusting. I know many people who would find their new right to marry someone of the same sex more funny than anything else.

Yes absolutely hilarious, dont start thinking that I'm some stuck up evangelical conservative, I find gay jokes as funny as the next young person, that said the prospect of a "gay marriage" in any real sense is about as funny as issues like abortion and global warming.

How does gay marriage act as a detriment to straight people as a whole? Why should it have any affect on society?

Becuase in order to create institutions for gays, you have to radically alter those which adress normal people, its a question of social fabric really, the last thing I want any kids learning, including potnetially mine is that being gay is acceptable.

 

[dieburndie]

To fulfil you curiosity, I don't have any ingrained problem with male or female homosexuals

Sure? The rest of your post indicates something else.

what other people do with their personal lives is nobody else's business, however once these people try and change laws, opinions or values that I value and apply to ME, changes I dont like or appreciate, thats when these people earn themselves opposition.

This doesn't make any sense, you say what people do in their personal lives isn't their business yet you believe changes affecting others personal lives should not occur because of what you "don't like or appreciate".
What the fuck has it got to do with what you like or appreciate?
Equality for gays will not affect you.

Any good parent in a good will teach their kids that homosexuality is not the right way to live, and since homosexuals cant have kids or families, they really need to stay the f*ck out of other peoples business, the same way I don't tell them what to do with their clubs etc.

Stay the fuck out of their business, you're telling them what to do in terms of not allowing them to legally get their relationships recognised.

Becuase in order to create institutions for gays, you have to radically alter those which adress normal people, its a question of social fabric really, the last thing I want any kids learning, including potnetially mine is that being gay is acceptable.

It's been explained to you repeatedly that creating those institutions does not alter the value of those which address "normal" (ugh) people.
Your insane, irrational prejudice and failure to justify it at all disgusts me.
I cannot understand why there are so many individuals like you, constantly impeding social progress and cohesion. It's terrible.

 

[ash7614]

being new to the forum and i sure as hell have no intention of reading this whole thread, i'll just give my imput that i support homosexuality 100%..
that being said i am somewhat homosexual myself..

homosexuality will come along with it's debateable issues as does most other issues in life.. it's a part of life that not everyone will ever agree on..

 

[bshoc]

This doesn't make any sense, you say what people do in their personal lives isn't their business yet you believe changes affecting others personal lives should not occur because of what you "don't like or appreciate".
What the fuck has it got to do with what you like or appreciate?
Equality for gays will not affect you.

It will affect society, I'm part of society, most of society isnt gay or a far social leftist like yourself, see: government in power.

Maybe this is a big shock to you, but most of society is straight, most will get married and most will have children.

Most of all however, I just dont believe its worth taxpayer time and money, to pretty much re-write whole slabs of what is given and iron law, based solely on the fact that these people like to screw other mens asses. Heck give me special legal status becuase I wake up later than some people or something, stupid.

But hey me and the majority are just stupid simpletons who dont understand the value of having such wonderful social policy! Just a bunch of friggin bogans and rednecks, thats it. WE SHOULD ALL GO BACK TO THE FRIGGIN FARM LOL. You're the only one who's smart and enlightened enough to tell people how to change these friggin stupid reasonless laws we have right now, given your doubtlessly infinite understanding of demography and social cohesion. Sorry if we're cramping your bohemian values.

Stay the fuck out of their business, you're telling them what to do in terms of not allowing them to legally get their relationships recognised.

WTF?

I want nothing to do with the flamers, most people don't, see thats why the people of Australia BANNED all forms of legal gay marriage.

Note to you - you're not taking away peoples "rights" if they dont have them in the first place. Marriage, family, and so on are things these people can never understand nor have. Who's pushing what, who's trying to tell who what is legal and what is not? Certainly not me and the majority of this country, things are great the way they are now.

And if people don't like that, they can MOVE, I mean there's plenty of economically stagnant, socially destroyed, dying overly liberal socialist paradises out there.

It's been explained to you repeatedly that creating those institutions does not alter the value of those which address "normal" (ugh) people.

Such an wrong opinion has been presented, yes.

Your insane, irrational prejudice and failure to justify it at all disgusts me.
I cannot understand why there are so many individuals like you, constantly impeding social progress and cohesion. It's terrible.

The only insane and irrational one here is you, I'm going with what has worked for as long as history remembers.

The reasons for opposing such things would be a list too long for me to bother to write, but for example, during the US 2004 elections the top 50 counties composed of married people all voted overwhelmingly Republican and often anti-gay candidates.

If thats what you call "social progress," then you can, like Australia has decided, shove it, progress doesent involve destroying what you're trying to advance, its not really progress, its social destruction. Its the legacy of the whole hippy era, 60's onwards, the rather acute conservative backlash you're seeing now is a reaction to that, just because a voice is the loudest by no means indicates that it is the most numerous, as Richard Nixon called it - "the silent majority." And there are major excesses to roll back, feminism, affirmative action, socialist economics, and this nonsense of "gay rights," will hopefully be long dead by the time of our children. Face it you're trying to get down a hill while most are going back up, it makes sense to at least get out of the way.

I'll never understand these white hetro males who support the raft of leftist policy, homo marriage, quota legislation, why work against yourself? And then the same people wonder why they have so little support. May think you're a social agendist, you're just a bored idiot whose never lived in the real world - the world where people pay taxes and have kids.

 

[ash7614]

i find it interesting how homosexuality is constantly referred to as male on male..

and i find it amusing how someone of such a young age and such a narrow mind can speak of others being idiots and not living in the real world and bla bla bla..

it depresses me how people can be so unnaccepting of people who dont fit the "straight caucasian" stereotype..

homosexual discrimination is the same as any other..

just because it puts some narrow minded people out of their comfort zone there's got to be some bit issue about it..

shit changes.. its called cultural developement..
if we didn't change laws and such we'd still be hanging anyone who wasn't straight or didn't follow Christianity or enslaving those who weren't caucasian..

get over your homophobic issue's and accept the fact that laws are going to constantly change whether you like it or not..

i've never seen so much fucking whinging before..

 

[bshoc]

i find it interesting how homosexuality is constantly referred to as male on male..

Well what is it, like 10-1 male to female ratio of homosexuality, you can certainly see why.

and i find it amusing how someone of such a young age and such a narrow mind can speak of others being idiots and not living in the real world and bla bla bla..

Young age and narrow mind are subjectives anyway, I find it amusing how you don't detect the obvious presence of hypocrisy in your own statements.

it depresses me how people can be so unnaccepting of people who dont fit the "straight caucasian" stereotype..

Well thats what most people are, straight ..

homosexual discrimination is the same as any other..

Yep, same way theres descrimination against blacks in america by not paying them enough welfare lol

shit changes.. its called cultural developement..

It certainly does, such as that ban on gay marriage written into the hightest possible form of law a few years back.

if we didn't change laws and such we'd still be hanging anyone who wasn't straight or didn't follow Christianity or enslaving those who weren't caucasian..

Yeah well the catholics and imperialists can answer for themselves.

get over your homophobic issue's and accept the fact that laws are going to constantly change whether you like it or not..

Like that fedaral ban on gay marriage, terrorism laws and so forth, damn right the laws are going to change, just not in ways people like you may necessarily like.

 

[ash7614]

people like me?? ha

you really are pathetic and despicable..

you're just a sad moron who's getting fired up over a fucking debate topic on a forum..

you neglected to retaliate the most important part of what i said..

quit you're whinging..



it's "people like you" who end up coming to terms with their own homosexuality later in life..

 

[ihavenothing]

Bullshit, I know there are about the same number of lesbians and it shows your double standards by always referring to the male side of homosexuality, also needing to be debated are those people who are intersex and transgender who still have to suffer much worse prejudice, many of which is visible even in the safe havens of Oxford Street every Friday and Saturday.

 

[bshoc]

people like me?? ha

you really are pathetic and despicable..

you're just a sad moron who's getting fired up over a fucking debate topic on a forum..

Yeah because not resorting to calling you pathetic and despicable inficates that I'm the one "fired up" about this eh? LOL

you neglected to retaliate the most important part of what i said..

Which was? I adressed every statement you made.

quit you're whinging..

You're obviously missing the point that I have nothing to really whine about.

it's "people like you" who end up coming to terms with their own homosexuality later in life..

Yeah because everyone who opposes gays is in reality a closet homo right? Given that the government that legislates these pro-traditional agendas was elected by majority and less than 1% of the population are homos, what are the odds eh? Almost as high as the chances that you're actually going to put forth an argument that isn't a self-defeating sham LOL

 

[Pilgrim]

I have friends who are gay. In Jail

 

[bshoc]

Bullshit, I know there are about the same number of lesbians and it shows your double standards by always referring to the male side of homosexuality, also needing to be debated are those people who are intersex and transgender who still have to suffer much worse prejudice, many of which is visible even in the safe havens of Oxford Street every Friday and Saturday.

Its a well known fact that there are far less female homosexuals then there are males in countries when homosexuality isn't illegal, take Statistics Canada as an example
http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/040615/d040615b.htm

"About 1.3% of men considered themselves homosexual, about twice the proportion of 0.7% among women. However, 0.9% of women reported being bisexual, slightly higher than the proportion of 0.6% among men."

 

[poloktim]

To fulfil you curiosity, I don't have any ingrained problem with male or female homosexuals, what other people do with their personal lives is nobody else's business, however once these people try and change laws, opinions or values that I value and apply to ME, changes I dont like or appreciate, thats when these people earn themselves opposition.

Are you in favour of big government setting a moral path for citizens to follow, or would you rather a government that kept as much out of the everyday lives of individuals?

I think one of life's spices is the ability to change our moral viewpoint. We can come back at points in our development (and we develop until the day we die), and question ourselves and others. Wonder what morals are truly important to us. If we have big government legislate a moral path for us (which is what I'm getting from you when you don't want laws changed if they deviate from your perception of right, wrong and morality), we lose the ability to alter our morals. If we are given the freedom to question ourselves and society within limitations, we can better it, evolve ourselves (for example, regardless of whether or not one considers robery, rape, murder or sex with children immoral, these are such areas where the government has a right to legislate because of the damage it causes).

Any good parent in a good will teach their kids that homosexuality is not the right way to live, and since homosexuals cant have kids or families, they really need to stay the f*ck out of other peoples business, the same way I don't tell them what to do with their clubs etc.

Let's not get back into the argument, but regardless of whether or not one was raised to bash homosexuals or embrace them as a part of society, some children from both of these groups will end up becoming homosexual themselves. What interested me most about this paragraph was your claim that "they (homosexuals) need to stay the f*ck out of other peoples business." The same could be said about the government legislating against them. The government is poking its head in the private affairs of two consenting adults. We have the big government legislating morals problem again.

Stop conflating racial identity with sexual orientation.

Often also referred to as sexual identity.

Yes absolutely hilarious, dont start thinking that I'm some stuck up evangelical conservative, I find gay jokes as funny as the next young person, that said the prospect of a "gay marriage" in any real sense is about as funny as issues like abortion and global warming.

Are you saying this to try and validate your opinion? Are the opinions and views stuck-up evangelist conservatives worth less weight than those who are not?

Becuase in order to create institutions for gays, you have to radically alter those which adress normal people, its a question of social fabric really, the last thing I want any kids learning, including potnetially mine is that being gay is acceptable.

But more or less, Australian society does see that being gay is acceptable. Australian society (or government, but I'll give the Libs the benefit of the doubt and use the word society) does not consider marriage to be accptable between homosexual people because of the Judeo-Christian roots of Australian society, and an important role such roots play in the institution of marriage.
Now questioning you're wish for children not to learn that homosexuality is accepted: would you rather a gay child live in fear which would lead to possible mental issues and suicide? Let's be in reason, the medical authorities do not consider homosexuality an illness, either mental or otherwise.

 

[ash7614]

with people like this bshoc twat it's a wonder all females aren't lesbian..

just give it time i'm sure..

 

[bshoc]

with people like this bshoc twat it's a wonder all females aren't lesbian..

just give it time i'm sure..

Yeah only 99.3% of the female population to go, any day now LOL

 

[dieburndie]

with people like this bshoc twat it's a wonder all females aren't lesbian..

just give it time i'm sure..

Huh? That doesn't even make sense as a joke.

 

[dagwoman]

10% of women are gay. Your statistics are screwed.

 

[bshoc]

10% of women are gay. Your statistics are screwed.

The 10% thing is a myth, its was the hypothesis of Kinsey, unfortunately Kinsey's hypothesis doesen't hold up to data and statistics now that our society is open enough to collect such statistics, Kinsey had to estimate given the context of his times, in reality about 0.7% of the famale population (at least in Canada) are gay, dont fall into the trap of overinflating the numbers of a group you like based on urban myth.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Wait... why are we arguing over how many women are gay?

 

[bshoc]

Are you in favour of big government setting a moral path for citizens to follow, or would you rather a government that kept as much out of the everyday lives of individuals?

I think one of life's spices is the ability to change our moral viewpoint. We can come back at points in our development (and we develop until the day we die), and question ourselves and others. Wonder what morals are truly important to us. If we have big government legislate a moral path for us (which is what I'm getting from you when you don't want laws changed if they deviate from your perception of right, wrong and morality), we lose the ability to alter our morals. If we are given the freedom to question ourselves and society within limitations, we can better it, evolve ourselves (for example, regardless of whether or not one considers robery, rape, murder or sex with children immoral, these are such areas where the government has a right to legislate because of the damage it causes).

I'm in favour of strong (not necessarily big) government providing the correct context in which society should exist, keeping and enforcing law and order, certain things legal, certain things illegal, a comprehensive education system, at least minimal levels of state policies in things like healthcare and GTE's, and maintaining policies that benefit state and society in aggregate, such as promoting family and children, keeping most drugs illigal and with penalty and so forth.

The moral path of the indavidual however intrests me little, I dont really want to adress your teary eyed pro-gay rant on morals, I will however say that choices have consequences, such as being gay means never being able to marry or have kids, or chosing an arts degree over a science means you'll never be a scientist. Its not about morality, morality is subjective, its about what works best, and having things like lagalised drugs, pedophilic relationships or gay marriage would be a detriment to society overall

Let's not get back into the argument, but regardless of whether or not one was raised to bash homosexuals or embrace them as a part of society, some children from both of these groups will end up becoming homosexual themselves. What interested me most about this paragraph was your claim that "they (homosexuals) need to stay the f*ck out of other peoples business." The same could be said about the government legislating against them. The government is poking its head in the private affairs of two consenting adults. We have the big government legislating morals problem again.

The government doesent legislate against them per se, just not for them, in the sense that things like marriage are too vital and important to legally detriment to favour some overly vocal gays and their pet leftists. Homosexuals cannot have either proper families nor children, only if they could would these people even have the slightest right to tell the country whats what.

That said, there's nothing wrong with government legislating the intrests of the people, its sure better than having some activist judge make decisions based on sole personal opinion.

Often also referred to as sexual identity.

Call it whatever you want, race is nowhere near the level of personal determination that sexual choice is.

Are you saying this to try and validate your opinion? Are the opinions and views stuck-up evangelist conservatives worth less weight than those who are not?

Everyone's opinions hold equal weight in our equal vote democracy, thats why gay marriage is banned.

But more or less, Australian society does see that being gay is acceptable. Australian society (or government, but I'll give the Libs the benefit of the doubt and use the word society) does not consider marriage to be accptable between homosexual people because of the Judeo-Christian roots of Australian society, and an important role such roots play in the institution of marriage.

No many people have different reasons to oppose things like gay marriage, if it was just all "Judeo-Christian" gay marriage would be legal right now, do you even think I'm a christian?

Now questioning you're wish for children not to learn that homosexuality is accepted: would you rather a gay child live in fear which would lead to possible mental issues and suicide? Let's be in reason, the medical authorities do not consider homosexuality an illness, either mental or otherwise.

I would rather all people dealt with their own problems, rather than attack my institutions in ill fated social crusades. I have made it clear that I dont care if people are gay or not - I just care that there is no gay unions, marriage, adoption and so forth, because the future of the state and society rest on these things never coming to pass, which I am overly glad to say, looks like the case.