nataliaa.cc said:
1) As I've tried to explain, I'm yet to be shown evidence of where in a religious text it says that homosexuality is wrong. Just because it goes against the norm doesn't make it amoral. The closest that a person has come to evidence is saying that there were no homosexual relationships depicted in the Bible. Still, that doesn't mean that it is not allowed to be done. People go skydiving, it wasn't in the Bible, doesn't mean that it's against the word of God.
In regards to your rights, yes, a religious person is well within their right to enforce their own beliefs on themselves. You don't believe in having sex before marriage? That's simple, don't do it. You don't believe that homosexuality is moral? That's also simple, don't be homosexual. It is when people oppose the actions of other people based on their religious beliefs that they are going against their religious beliefs at the same time. No one has the right to judge another person or their actions/preferences (eg. homosexuality) and by opposing peoples actions/preferences (eg: saying homosexuality is wrong) that person is, even if indirectly, making a judgement.
Sidenote: if you've said you don't have enough evidence to make an opinion on homosexuality, then why argue against mine?
2) I kind of covered this in my second paragraph. Say my friend decides to get a new boyfriend. If I say that I am opposed to her being with this new boyfriend that means that I have made a judgement on her preferences/actions. It's a similar sort of thing with people opposing homosexuality. Why do they oppose it? Because they have made a judgement that it is wrong.
3) As I said, you don't have to be homosexual to not oppose homosexuals.
I'm arguing your point because I object to this "only God can judge me so everything I do is ok" viewpoint. If you're going to go crying "only God can judge me so christians can't think I'm wrong" then wtf? Christians are just trying to save you from God's judgement, which you may not beleive in but they do. I'm not saying that protesting with "god hates fags" signs or denying rights to homosexuals is to be excused. It makes me want to vomit almost as much as it does to gay people.
And, of course, there is the court system, in which people judge other people as not fit to live in society. Very few objections are raised to the court because everyone values justice. So it looks lik it's ok to make decisions relating to the appropriateness of people's behaviour to society.
When you generalise what you said to all opinions on behaviours, you're not allowed to object to someone doing anything without judging them. Operating on hypotheticals here...
I don't think that overlooking self-harm is a loving thing to do. If your kid was doing drugs do you think you'd say "oh it's a lifestyle choice, lettem do it." I certainly wouldn't 'hold no objections' to it, and I don't think you would either, because you seem like a decent chick. Similarly, if homosexuality was actually harmful (and I'm not saying it is) Would you sit back and watch it happen without even thinking it was detrimental to your loved one?
But that certainly doesn't mean judging them. 'Judging,' I suppose, their behaviour, as detrimental to them, but not judging that person as bad or wrong. Yes, "only God can judge me." This means "only God can condemn me." not so much the "only God can think I'm wrong"
Furthermore I will say that it is impossible for anyone to sit completely impartial to the behaviour of others, as we are inherently judgemental and not amoral people. If you see a pregnant woman smoking, do you cringe? If you know one of your friends cuts herself, do you take it lightly? If you hear a report of a mother and her adult son having sex are you going to go "oh yeh, ok, what's so wrong with that?"
lol cuz you think that you're way righter than me. What kind of person has no opinions on anything anyone does? Just like when my sister got a boyfriend who was a bit of a shit. I didn't have to support the relatonship but I didn't judge her for it, and I was there for her every step of the way. I'm not being judgemental about a person by not supporting their actions. Dont twist my words bitch.
Re point 3): I don't think ANYONE thinks "if I say 'gay is ok' I'll become a homosexual" So don't worry, I don't think that babe.
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ps. 'amoral' vs 'immoral' -> watch that cause amoral means when there's no moral or immoral, vs. immoral which is the opposite of moral. you seem to have put the wrong one in your post and it changes the meaning.
