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sam04u

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http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2008/07/17/is-hezbollahs-gun-diplomacy-working/

I don't think it can any longer be doubted that Hezbollah, an organisation of a few thousand organised guerillas, a handful of Politicians, and a fully operational Broadcasting Television channel (Al Manar) have managed to change the tides of history.

They've managed to repel Israeli ground forces, resist Israeli aerial bombardment, free it's captured citizens, and at the same time remain an influential factor in the region.

If the speculation is correct, that Israel was attempting to disarm Hezbollah in order to make a move on Iran, then the organization has been incredibly successful at stifling this. In May 2008, when the U.S backed Lebanese government attempted to disarm Hezbollah they failed miserably, with the capital and airport being captured by Hezbollah, and their demands being met. They later released the captured territories, having doing so gained more influence.

It is also speculated that the latest Israeli-Hezbollah prison swap was another attempt at further satisfying Hezbollah's demands in an attempt to appease them, and later pressure them to disarm them, as a lead up measure to attack Hezbollah backed Iran. Again, this failed. The end-result was Hezbollah came out as victors, and thus it has become much harder to convince Hezbollah to disarm now that the effectiveness and results of their organisation have become evident.

Israel's last resort, well initially, was to later unoccupy the Shebaa farm territory, which would be the last of Hezbollah's demand. But due to the magnificent failure of the recent hostage exchange (finding out the hostages were dead) Israelis will never agree to handing over the shebaa farm territory to Hezbollah. Especially since the soon to be ex-president of Israel, Ehud Olmert is extremely unpopular.

Basically, Hezbollah's victories have strengthened their position internally, resulted in many of their demands being met, allowed them to continue to provide their services (both in the community and as a resistance force) to the Lebanese and also most importantly have stifled the war effort on Iran. Infact, at this rate they only have to hold out for a few more months (October) and Bush will be out of the White House.

tl;dr
Nasrallah has changed the course of history.
Hezbollah is effectively resisting.
 

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Next up we have a blog entry about the truth of Hezbollah's dismal failure as a both a terrorist organisation and a 'resistance' movement.
 

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You call these people "captured" citizens? I prefer the term "imprisoned" criminals.

Samr Kuntar is a murderer who at the age of 17 led a group of 4 PLF members by boat into Israel. Around midnight they arrived at the peaceful non-military region of Nahariya, a popular beach-side tourist destination. They killed a policeman who came across themand then entered a residential building at random. They split into two groups: one took a 31 year old father of two and his 4 year old daugher whilst the mother took her two year old daughter with her and hid in a crawl space above the floor along with a neighbour.

They took the fathe and daughter to the beach, where a shoot out ensued. The terrorists shot dead Danny at close range in the back, drowned him to make sure he was dead and then smashed the head of hs 4 year old daughter on beach rocks and crushed her scull with the back of one of their riles. Meanwhile Yael, the two year old daughter was suffocated by her wn mother who was attempting to quiet her wimpering.

Now if this is something you're proud of and call a victory then there is something truly sickening with you.

Personally I think the moral of the story is that oOnly Israel respects her dead so much to return terrorists and murderers for families closure and respect for the dead.

Furthermore Ehud Olmert is not the President. He is the Prime Minister.
 

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JaredR said:
That's Israel's version of the events. However, as you mentioned, there was a shoot-out, and it's very plausible that the child was killed in the cross-fire in the same fashion that the father was.

And as to your rant about Israel caring about it's dead. That may be true, but that has nothing to do with the recent prisoner exchange. The prisoner exchange was a bargaining agent used by Israel in order to encourage anti-resistance elements in Lebanon to push for the disarmament of Hezbollah, in order to pave the way for an attack on Iran.
 

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Wait, having the whole of southern lebanon invaded counts as repelling Israeli ground forces?
 

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Schroedinger said:
Stop Snipping people Sam, you're not a Jew.
Meh, it's kind of like the opposite of quoting for emphasis. But you're right, it's pretty much a shit thing to do.

Wait, having the whole of southern lebanon invaded counts as repelling Israeli ground forces?
The whole of southern Lebanon? They didn't even get as far as Bint Jbeil (BJ, lol)
 

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sam04u said:
The whole of southern Lebanon? They didn't even get as far as Bint Jbeil (BJ, lol)
Because of a UN brokered cease fire...
 

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Riet said:
Because of a UN brokered cease fire...
No, lol. The UN brokered deal was concerned with the air raids (which could have continued on for much longer), the ground forces were repelled.
 

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the day the middle east/Arabs start using their fucked up brain that god gave them....is they day that where Israel will be eliminated.

sadly, that day has yet to come in 60 years, and i doubt it will for another 60 years.
 

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bigboyjames said:
the day the middle east/Arabs start using their fucked up brain that god gave them....is they day that where Israel will be eliminated.

sadly, that day has yet to come in 60 years, and i doubt it will for another 60 years.
Too many of them are in collusion with Israel and the United States.
There are only few arab states free of American Imperialism, with the will to do what their conscience tells them. The rest are slime.

Lebanon is not one of those slime. Hezbollah - Guerillas, men with machine guns, fought a super power with F16's, SAM, high ranged mortar fire, and yet won.
 

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BigPole said:
See the resemblence?:ninja:
Lol, you know that Americans used to use to Roman Salute at school every day when doing their pledge of allegiance or whatever other shit they do? Hezbollah is not associated with fascism or racism, Hezbollah is a resistance organisation, resisting occupation from a super state.
 

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BigPole said:
Some research would do you good, Muslims were wide supports of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi reigeme, so STFU.
your an idiot. please, fucking get n education
 

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BigPole said:
Some research would do you good, Muslims were wide supports of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi reigeme, so STFU.
You're so wrong it's laughable. Muslims have never harboured ill-will towards Jews. Even in the height of the Arab/Israeli conflict. Jews and Muslims have been able to in the past, and will in the future be able to exist alongside one another.

I assure you if and when the Palestinian state is reformed under it's legal borders, Jews will help build it, and they will co-exist peacefully as neigbours, along with Lebanon.

Injustices are a little hard to deal with though, the original sin was not the Jews making Aleyah to Palestine, many feel they rightly belong there, but it was the expelling the former occupants from their homes that is seen as the crime. Once all that burdon is alleviated, there will be peace in the middle east.
 

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sam04u said:
tl;dr
Nasrallah has changed the course of history.
Hezbollah is effectively resisting.
fuck u...they were responsible for the deaths of 1000+ innocent civilians in the last war...fucking OK if israel invades start a war but don't go picking a fucking fight.

P.S nasrallah had extramarital relations with lebanese singer haifa wehbe which resulted in a bastard of a child
 

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sams057 said:
P.S nasrallah had extramarital relations with lebanese singer haifa wehbe which resulted in a bastard of a child
No way lol!
Haifa is a babe. Nasrallah could never get with her. :rofl:

But he's still an awesome fighter against oppression and other such.

fuck u...they were responsible for the deaths of 1000+ innocent civilians in the last war...fucking OK if israel invades start a war but don't go picking a fucking fight.
You're right. Hezbollah shouldn't start wars, otherwise they compromise their position as a legitimate resistance force. With the recent prisoner swap, and the relinquishment of the Shebaa farms being talked about. They would have successfully resisted occupation.
 

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bigboyjames said:
your an idiot. please, fucking get n education
So I was looking up the definition of irony...
 

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sam04u said:
You're so wrong it's laughable. Muslims have never harboured ill-will towards Jews.
Sam, just don't.
 

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