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[mmmmmmmmaaaaaaa]

whatd u get fr enlighten us

I cant it’s embarrassing

 

[yozz]

I cant it’s embarrassing

please bro i acc need motivation bc i flopped and if ur being serioud youd help me pave the way to my 99.95 atar journey

 

[mmmmmmmmaaaaaaa]

anything lower than a 99.95?

way lower

 

[SadCeliac]

ur gonna have to expand on that whats ur definition of flop

when you jump down and spread out as you do it, traditionally with your belly out onto a pool

 

[nsw..wollongong]

when you jump down and spread out as you do it, traditionally with your belly out onto a pool

ur whats wrong with this generation.

 

[SadCeliac]

way lower

"way" lower by .15

 

[mmmmmmmmaaaaaaa]

please bro i acc need motivation bc i flopped and if ur being serioud youd help me pave the way to my 99.95 atar journey

dm me and I’ll be serious

 

[jimmysmith560]

jimmy how does scaling n stuff work help a brother out

Essentially, an HSC mark (the overall mark that a student achieves in a subject) constitutes the average of an Assessment Mark (i.e. internal mark) and an Examination Mark (i.e. external mark). The Assessment Mark is determined using a process called moderation, which considers the following information:

• A student's rank relative to their cohort in a particular subject.
• The Examination Marks achieved by the student's cohort in that subject.

The essential rule is that the highest Assessment Mark is adjusted to equal the highest Examination Mark of any student in the cohort. For example, if a student ranks first internally in a subject, and the highest Examination Mark for that subject ends up being 90, the student who achieved that mark will still receive 90 as their Examination Mark, but the student ranked first will also receive that mark as their Assessment Mark because they ranked first. Where possible, the same applies to the lowest Assessment Mark (i.e. that of the student ranked last).

Students whose ranks are in between may not necessarily receive Assessment Marks that are equal to their equivalent Examination Marks, although they will be similar. For example, if the fifth-highest Examination Mark was 85, the student that achieved this mark will keep it as their Examination Mark, although the student ranked fifth internally will not necessarily receive 85, but a mark close to it (such as 83).

On the other hand, a student's own Examination Mark in a particular subject is not affected by the student's internal rank or their school rank. It is determined solely based on their own performance in the HSC exam of that subject.

There is also the element of alignment. This converts a raw mark to an aligned mark based on how well a student performed according to the descriptors in the syllabus for different bands. NESA informs students of their aligned marks, but not their raw marks. With that being said, students can pay to access their raw marks. It is also important to note that alignment does not affect a student's ATAR.

Moderation and alignment are both performed by NESA, whereas scaling is a process done by UAC. This process involves taking a student's moderated Assessment Mark and their raw Examination Mark (i.e. not aligned), the average of which produces a raw HSC mark. UAC then converts this to a scaled HSC mark (which is not reported to students) to be used in determining the student's ATAR.

I hope this helps!

@jimmysmith560 surely you work with like ten monitors open to see every forum at once

 

[jc7726]

way lower

and by way lower do you mean less than a 1.0 difference

 

[nsw..wollongong]

way lower

like below 50?

 

[SadCeliac]

ur whats wrong with this generation.

cheers xx

 

[SadCeliac]

Essentially, an HSC mark (the overall mark that a student achieves in a subject) constitutes the average of an Assessment Mark (i.e. internal mark) and an Examination Mark (i.e. external mark). The Assessment Mark is determined using a process called moderation, which considers the following information:

• A student's rank relative to their cohort in a particular subject.
• The Examination Marks achieved by the student's cohort in that subject.

The essential rule is that the highest Assessment Mark is adjusted to equal the highest Examination Mark of any student in the cohort. For example, if a student ranks first internally in a subject, and the highest Examination Mark for that subject ends up being 90, the student who achieved that mark will still receive 90 as their Examination Mark, but the student ranked first will also receive that mark as their Assessment Mark because they ranked first. Where possible, the same applies to the lowest Assessment Mark (i.e. that of the student ranked last).

Students whose ranks are in between may not necessarily receive Assessment Marks that are equal to their equivalent Examination Marks, although they will be similar. For example, if the fifth-highest Examination Mark was 85, the student that achieved this mark will keep it as their Examination Mark, although the student ranked fifth internally will not necessarily receive 85, but a mark close to it (such as 83).

On the other hand, a student's own Examination Mark in a particular subject is not affected by the student's internal rank or their school rank. It is determined solely based on their own performance in the HSC exam of that subject.

There is also the element of alignment. This converts a raw mark to an aligned mark based on how well a student performed according to the descriptors in the syllabus for different bands. NESA informs students of their aligned marks, but not their raw marks. With that being said, students can pay to access their raw marks. It is also important to note that alignment does not affect a student's ATAR.

Moderation and alignment are both performed by NESA, whereas scaling is a process done by UAC. This process involves taking a student's moderated Assessment Mark and their raw Examination Mark (i.e. not aligned), the average of which produces a raw HSC mark. UAC then converts this to a scaled HSC mark (which is not reported to students) to be used in determining the student's ATAR.

I hope this helps!



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we love you jimmy

 

[mmmmmmmmaaaaaaa]

like below 50?

oh yes

 

[nsw..wollongong]

oh yes

THANK YOU

 

[Feedback from Selective.]

Wait someone told me if your ranking is pretty poor and you get a state rank in a subject, scaling would like mess w your external mark but i thought external marks doent get alligned?

Ur external mark does get aligned. Firstly you have to understand that alignment, moderation, and scaling are three different processes to NESA/UAC, although students use it interchangeably. Alignment affects everyones external mark equally as such: h ttps://rawmarks.info/
Moderation is to do with assessment mark as Jimmy explains. Then scaling is what UAC does to your hsc marks.
Now, if your ranked poor (which infers a low internal/assessment mark), and get full marks in the hsc external exam, you will NOT state rank the subject at all. To SR you must be ranked top 1-2 in your cohort (or top 1-5 depending on how smart the class/school is) and must get full marks (or close to full marks) in the external exam. Imagine getting a 100 for maths advanced in the external exam, but because you ranked 3rd your asessment mark was 98; which averages to a hsc mark of 99, which means you will NOT state rank at all.

 

[yozz]

Ur external mark does get aligned. Firstly you have to understand that alignment, moderation, and scaling are three different processes to NESA/UAC, although students use it interchangeably. Alignment affects everyones external mark equally as such: h ttps://rawmarks.info/
Moderation is to do with assessment mark as Jimmy explains. Then scaling is what UAC does to your hsc marks.
Now, if your ranked poor (which infers a low internal/assessment mark), and get full marks in the hsc external exam, you will NOT state rank the subject at all. To SR you must be ranked top 1-2 in your cohort (or top 1-5 depending on how smart the class/school is) and must get full marks (or close to full marks) in the external exam. Imagine getting a 100 for maths advanced in the external exam, but because you ranked 3rd your asessment mark was 98; which averages to a hsc mark of 99, which means you will NOT state rank at all.

 

[SadCeliac]

The essential rule is that the highest Assessment Mark is adjusted to equal the highest Examination Mark of any student in the cohort. For example, if a student ranks first internally in a subject, and the highest Examination Mark for that subject ends up being 90, the student who achieved that mark will still receive 90 as their Examination Mark, but the student ranked first will also receive that mark as their Assessment Mark because they ranked first. Where possible, the same applies to the lowest Assessment Mark (i.e. that of the student ranked last).

Students whose ranks are in between may not necessarily receive Assessment Marks that are equal to their equivalent Examination Marks, although they will be similar. For example, if the fifth-highest Examination Mark was 85, the student that achieved this mark will keep it as their Examination Mark, although the student ranked fifth internally will not necessarily receive 85, but a mark close to it (such as 83).

@jimmysmith560 can I confirm that all of this occurs with regards to our own school cohort?

 

[jimmysmith560]

@jimmysmith560 can I confirm that all of this occurs with regards to our own school cohort?

Yes, because the purpose of moderation is for NESA to be able to fairly compare marks achieved by students across different schools, which implies that this must also apply to your school's cohort.

 

[scaryshark09]

fr i think ur the only one who acc understands it, imma be honest even after all urs + jimmy's explanations I'm still confused

i understand it pretty much 99%, I'm just not good at explaining it well for others. Eddie Woo has videos on youtube about it for starters, i also read a billion pages of Nesa and uac documents lmao.

 

[scaryshark09]

it’s p easy the figure out there aren’t many 1 unit subjects with state ranks from the same school in spots 7 and 8

i swear ive tried them all and i can't find