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TacoTerrorist,
I'll attempt to deconstruct your 'argument', not that there really is one other than personal attacks against myself and the Jewish people.
1) Can you provide information as to which batallion or unit utilises bayonets in combat? In fact can you reference me any international army that still uses bayonets?
2) Can you provide me with a list of children "murdered" indiscriminately by Israeli forces?
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Alternately, I can of innocent Israeli children:
May 15, 1974 - Ma'alot Massacre: 22 children killed and 66 wounded in the Ma'alot Massacre, perpetrated by Palestinian terrorists of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine.
April 22, 1979 - 4 Members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine infiltrate Israel from Lebanon and kill Dani Haran, his two daughters and a policeman.
April 6, 1994 - Vered Mordechai (13), Mayer Elharar (17) Meirav Ben-Moshe (16) all killed along with several adults in a car bomb attack on a bus in Afula. Hamas claimed responsibility.
July 7, 1994 - Sarit Prigal (17) was shot to death when terrorists opened fire from a passing car near the entrance to Kiryat Arba.
February 26, 1996 - Michael Yerigin (16) and Arik Gaby (16) are killed along with 24 others after a suicide bombing on a Jerusalem bus.
March 4, 1996 - Bat-Hen Shahak (15), Hadas Dror (15), Kobi Zaharon (13), Dana Gutman (14), Yovav Levy (13) all killed along with others when a terrorist detonated a 20kg nail bomb in Tel Aviv.
May 14, 1996 - David Reuven Boim (17) was killed when terrorists fired at a hitchiking post at Beil El.
July 30, 1997 - Grisha Paskhovitz (15) is killed along with 15 others and 178 wounded when 2 consecutive suicide bombings occured in a crowded Jerusalem market.
September 4, 1997 - Yael Botwin (14), Sivan Zarka (14) and Smadar Elhanan (14) are killed along with two others and 181 wounded in 3 suicide bombings on Jerusalem's main pedestrian mall.
May 7, 2000 - Yaakov Manzor (9) and Yitzhak Manzor (17) were stabbed repeatedly in the chest and abdomen in Jerusalem.
May 21, 2000 - Shalev Shabbat (2) is critically burned in a firebomb attack in Jericho.
March 26, 2001 - Shalhevet Pass (10 months) is killed by sniper fire.
March 28, 2001 - Eilran Rosenberg-Zayat (15) and Naftali Lanzkorn (13) are killed in a suicide bombing at the Mifgash Hashalom ("Peace Stop") gas station.
May 9, 2001 - Yossi Ish-Ran (14) and Kobi Mandell (14) are found stoned to death in a cave.
June 1, 2001 - Marina Berkovizki (17), Anya Kazachkov (16). Katherine Kastaniyada-Talkir (15), Aleksei Lupalu (16), Irina Nepomeneschi (16), Raisa Nimrovsky (15), Liana Sakiyan (16), Maria Tagilchev (14), Yael-Yulia Sklianik (15) and Yevgenia Dorfman (15) are killed outside a disco in Tel Aviv along with others and 120 wounded.
June 11, 2001 - Yehuda Shoham (5 months) was killed when a rock was thrown at the family's car.
July 26, 2001 - Ronen Landau is shot dead whilst returning home from Jerusalem with his father.
I could go on for another 7 years, where attacks increased but in fact let's just leave it there - I don't want to overwhelm your brain.
I'll attempt to deconstruct your 'argument', not that there really is one other than personal attacks against myself and the Jewish people.
1) Can you provide information as to which batallion or unit utilises bayonets in combat? In fact can you reference me any international army that still uses bayonets?
2) Can you provide me with a list of children "murdered" indiscriminately by Israeli forces?
________________________________________________________
Alternately, I can of innocent Israeli children:
May 15, 1974 - Ma'alot Massacre: 22 children killed and 66 wounded in the Ma'alot Massacre, perpetrated by Palestinian terrorists of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine.
April 22, 1979 - 4 Members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine infiltrate Israel from Lebanon and kill Dani Haran, his two daughters and a policeman.
April 6, 1994 - Vered Mordechai (13), Mayer Elharar (17) Meirav Ben-Moshe (16) all killed along with several adults in a car bomb attack on a bus in Afula. Hamas claimed responsibility.
July 7, 1994 - Sarit Prigal (17) was shot to death when terrorists opened fire from a passing car near the entrance to Kiryat Arba.
February 26, 1996 - Michael Yerigin (16) and Arik Gaby (16) are killed along with 24 others after a suicide bombing on a Jerusalem bus.
March 4, 1996 - Bat-Hen Shahak (15), Hadas Dror (15), Kobi Zaharon (13), Dana Gutman (14), Yovav Levy (13) all killed along with others when a terrorist detonated a 20kg nail bomb in Tel Aviv.
May 14, 1996 - David Reuven Boim (17) was killed when terrorists fired at a hitchiking post at Beil El.
July 30, 1997 - Grisha Paskhovitz (15) is killed along with 15 others and 178 wounded when 2 consecutive suicide bombings occured in a crowded Jerusalem market.
September 4, 1997 - Yael Botwin (14), Sivan Zarka (14) and Smadar Elhanan (14) are killed along with two others and 181 wounded in 3 suicide bombings on Jerusalem's main pedestrian mall.
May 7, 2000 - Yaakov Manzor (9) and Yitzhak Manzor (17) were stabbed repeatedly in the chest and abdomen in Jerusalem.
May 21, 2000 - Shalev Shabbat (2) is critically burned in a firebomb attack in Jericho.
March 26, 2001 - Shalhevet Pass (10 months) is killed by sniper fire.
March 28, 2001 - Eilran Rosenberg-Zayat (15) and Naftali Lanzkorn (13) are killed in a suicide bombing at the Mifgash Hashalom ("Peace Stop") gas station.
May 9, 2001 - Yossi Ish-Ran (14) and Kobi Mandell (14) are found stoned to death in a cave.
June 1, 2001 - Marina Berkovizki (17), Anya Kazachkov (16). Katherine Kastaniyada-Talkir (15), Aleksei Lupalu (16), Irina Nepomeneschi (16), Raisa Nimrovsky (15), Liana Sakiyan (16), Maria Tagilchev (14), Yael-Yulia Sklianik (15) and Yevgenia Dorfman (15) are killed outside a disco in Tel Aviv along with others and 120 wounded.
June 11, 2001 - Yehuda Shoham (5 months) was killed when a rock was thrown at the family's car.
July 26, 2001 - Ronen Landau is shot dead whilst returning home from Jerusalem with his father.
I could go on for another 7 years, where attacks increased but in fact let's just leave it there - I don't want to overwhelm your brain.
black_kat_meow
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Hmm, I read an article about this.JaredR said:
JaredR
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A website commemorating Koby's life is available here:
http://www.kobymandell.org/klife.htm
There are similar sites dedicated to the victims of other terrorist attacks in Israel:
http://bondar-orphans.org/index-en.html
http://www.odeliahobara.com/
http://hebron.co.il/izkor/
http://web.macam.ac.il/~elaine/gavri/17years.htm
http://www.yonijesner.org/yjf.htm
http://www.liz17.com/
http://www.tal-smile.com/
http://www.jafi.org.il/education/actual/gilakessler.html
http://www.daviddiegofund.org/index.htm
http://www.elil.zahav.net.il/
http://www.maayannaim.up.co.il/
http://www.shiri.us/eng-main.html
http://www.gafko.co.il/noa/
http://www.orit-ozarov.co.il/
http://www.hebron.org.il/shalhevet/shalhevet.htm
http://www.yochai.com/gallery/albums.php
http://www.kerenmalki.org/ (She was Australian-born)
http://fam.schijveschuurder.com/motti/memory-pigua.htm
http://www.batchen.co.il/site/
http://www.shilo.org.il/yehudaShoham.htm
http://www.dcwfoundation.org/aboutdaniel.htm
http://www.blondi.co.il/
http://www.kobymandell.org/klife.htm
There are similar sites dedicated to the victims of other terrorist attacks in Israel:
http://bondar-orphans.org/index-en.html
http://www.odeliahobara.com/
http://hebron.co.il/izkor/
http://web.macam.ac.il/~elaine/gavri/17years.htm
http://www.yonijesner.org/yjf.htm
http://www.liz17.com/
http://www.tal-smile.com/
http://www.jafi.org.il/education/actual/gilakessler.html
http://www.daviddiegofund.org/index.htm
http://www.elil.zahav.net.il/
http://www.maayannaim.up.co.il/
http://www.shiri.us/eng-main.html
http://www.gafko.co.il/noa/
http://www.orit-ozarov.co.il/
http://www.hebron.org.il/shalhevet/shalhevet.htm
http://www.yochai.com/gallery/albums.php
http://www.kerenmalki.org/ (She was Australian-born)
http://fam.schijveschuurder.com/motti/memory-pigua.htm
http://www.batchen.co.il/site/
http://www.shilo.org.il/yehudaShoham.htm
http://www.dcwfoundation.org/aboutdaniel.htm
http://www.blondi.co.il/
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1- Iman Darweesh Al Hams: IDF commander known only as "Lieutenant R.," or "Captain R.," fired his entire magazine into the girl's body as she lay wounded on the ground.Officer said that he would have killed her even if she was three years old. After she was hit, soldiers claimed the unit's commanding officer went up to her and kept on shooting her, despite their pleas to stop.No explosives or weapons were found on the girl's body. A search of her bag revealed that it was filled with textbooks.JaredR said:
2- Sara Abdul-Azim Abdul-Haq Hasan: 18 months, killed by Israeli settler gunfire to her head while riding with her father in a car.
3- Samer Samir Sudki Tabanja: 12, of Nablus, killed by IDF helicopter gunfire to his head while watching a demonstration.
4- Muayad Usama Ali al-Jawarish: 14, of Aida refugee camp, killed by IDF gunfire to his chest and abdomen while on the way to school.
5- Saed Adnan Abdullah al-Tambour: 17, of Nablus, killed by IDF gunfire to his head while picking olives.
6- Iman Hijo: Four-month-old, killed instantly when a shell landed in the yard where family members were sitting, and a large chunk of shrapnel penetrated her back.
7- Sameh Nasser Riziq al Sawafeery: 20, was seriously injured on Thursday August 23, when the Israeli occupation forces fired shells at residents in Gaza City.He was injured by fragments that penetrated his skull and centered in his brain, while his companion, Ahed Abu Jabal died instantly during the shelling.
8- Four children aged 7,8, 11 and 14 from Jabalya were playing football near the Salam Mosque in Jabalya when an Israeli missile struck them mutilating their young bodies.
9- Ranya Iyad Aram: eight-year-old, hospital sources said a stray bullet hit Aram in the neck, killing her on the spot.
10- 12-year-old Palestinian child in Rafah in southern Gaza 20 times to ascertain that she was dead.
11-Ameera, 20 days, killed by soldiers while in her mom’s hands.
12- Doaa Abd al-Qadr: 14-year-old. “Doaa returned from school that day as she always had, accompanied by a 12-year-old friend” The two girls passed close to the separation barrier near Faroun Village in the Tul Karm province, when IDF soldiers opened fire at them. Doaa was fatally wounded and taken to Beilinson Hospital, where she died.
13- Dam Hamad: 14, had been killed in her sleep, in her mother's arms, by an Israeli rocket strike that sent a concrete pillar crashing down on her head. She was the only daughter of her paralyzed mother, her whole world
14- A fifth-grader, Ayman had been sitting with friends on a bench on a street in Jabalya, right by his school. A bullet fired from a tank struck him. He was just 10 years old.
15-Taha al-Jawi: 16-year-old, killed while playing soccer, he had gone to chase after the ball. He was hit by a bullet in the leg that caused him to bleed to death, lying in a muddy ditch by the side of the road.
16- Abir Aramin: 11 year old. In January, she left her school in Anata and was on the way to buy candy in a little shop. She was fired upon from a Israeli Border Police vehicle.
17- 15-year-old Ahmed Asasa was fleeing from soldiers who had entered the village. A sniper's bullet caught him in the neck.
18- Bushra Bargis . In late April she was studying for a test, notebooks in hand, pacing around her room in the Jenin refugee camp in the early evening, when a sniper shot her in the forehead from quite far away. Her bloodstained notebooks bore witness to her final moments.
19- six-year-old Khalid Mahir Walwil from the Balata refugee camp near Nablus. He was shot in the back as he turned away from the window on the second floor of his house.
20- 12-year-old girl was shot in the head while sitting at her desk in a United Nations school in Gaza. The girl was attending an Agency-run school when she was wounded by retaliatory fire from Israeli forces.
21- 11-year-old Palestinian girl was shot and killed while standing in the doorway of her house.
22- On October 8, a 10-year-old Palestinian girl was shot and killed by IDF gunfire in Bayt Hanun in the northern Gaza Strip as she stood on the street in front of her house.
23- On October 12, Israeli military forces shot and killed an 11-year-old, Ghadir Mokheimer, as she stood outside her school in Khan Yunis refugee camp in Gaza.
24- On November 5, Israeli media reported that an IDF tank round killed two Palestinian children, ages 8 and 10 years old, when tank fire hit their home in the al-Qarrara district of Khan Yunis.
25- A 10-year-old boy was among six Palestinians killed Friday when Israeli tanks and helicopters opened fire inside the Gaza Strip.
JaredR
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Additionally, I asked for 'indiscriminately'
1) The girl was in a no-go zone as the IDF were ratting out militants. The soldiers spotted a figure carrying a bag and approaching them. The soldiers fired shots. When the soldiers and "Captain R" approached the threat to "defuse" it (meaning they did not believe she had been killed hence it was not shoot-to-kill) they realised it was a young child. From a distance of 70m they weren't aware.
It was additionally revealed later that soldiers who testified about "Captain R", a Druze captain, had lied to the investigators in order to frame their commander "because he was a tough commander and often handed out harsh punishments."
Source: http://www.startsurfing.com/encyclopedia/i/m/a/Iman_al-Hams_b641.html
Point being: it was a tragic and accidental death of a simingly suspicious but truly innocent person approaching an outpost during the height of the Intifada, when tensions were running high on both sides.
However unlike my mentioned attacks on children, when the terrorist was certain that there were children, and deliberately continued through with his or her vicious acts this incident was not the same.
6) Israeli diplomats and army spokesmen depict child as latest tragic casualty of what they say is deliberate Palestinian guerrilla tactic of firing from dense urban neighborhoods with hope of inviting politically useful military response; Source: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D01E6DC103BF932A25756C0A9679C8B63
Sorry for the apparent loss of these children - unfortunately it's difficult to read more about them as full names, dates and locations are missing.
1) The girl was in a no-go zone as the IDF were ratting out militants. The soldiers spotted a figure carrying a bag and approaching them. The soldiers fired shots. When the soldiers and "Captain R" approached the threat to "defuse" it (meaning they did not believe she had been killed hence it was not shoot-to-kill) they realised it was a young child. From a distance of 70m they weren't aware.
It was additionally revealed later that soldiers who testified about "Captain R", a Druze captain, had lied to the investigators in order to frame their commander "because he was a tough commander and often handed out harsh punishments."
Source: http://www.startsurfing.com/encyclopedia/i/m/a/Iman_al-Hams_b641.html
Point being: it was a tragic and accidental death of a simingly suspicious but truly innocent person approaching an outpost during the height of the Intifada, when tensions were running high on both sides.
However unlike my mentioned attacks on children, when the terrorist was certain that there were children, and deliberately continued through with his or her vicious acts this incident was not the same.
6) Israeli diplomats and army spokesmen depict child as latest tragic casualty of what they say is deliberate Palestinian guerrilla tactic of firing from dense urban neighborhoods with hope of inviting politically useful military response; Source: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D01E6DC103BF932A25756C0A9679C8B63
Sorry for the apparent loss of these children - unfortunately it's difficult to read more about them as full names, dates and locations are missing.
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JaredR
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Similar things happen around the world.
Security forces in Northern Ireland were accused of operating a shoot-to-kill policy, under which suspects were deliberately killed without any attempt to arrest them.
Similarly, a South African government minister said "South African police must shoot to kill and ignore regulations in the battle against one of the worst rates of violent crime in the world" Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL1037339420080410?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews
In 2005, London police were granted the right to "shoot to kill" any "suspected suicide bomber" Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article590487.ece
"All Iraqis are to be treated as hostile until proven otherwise" and hence a shoot-to-kill policy is also in place in Iraq. Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...02.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/04/02/ixnewstop.html
Kenyan Police to have policies to "shoot-to-kill": "Kenyan police have been ordered to shoot to kill looters, arsonists, people carrying weapons or blocking roads, a commander told AFP Wednesday, in a bid to stem weeks of clashes sparked by disputed elections." Source: http://www.france24.com/france24Pub...tician-helicopter-opposition-Orange.php?q=rss
It's a policy that saves more civillians than does kill, and it seems to work rather effectively on terrorists around the world.
Security forces in Northern Ireland were accused of operating a shoot-to-kill policy, under which suspects were deliberately killed without any attempt to arrest them.
Similarly, a South African government minister said "South African police must shoot to kill and ignore regulations in the battle against one of the worst rates of violent crime in the world" Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL1037339420080410?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews
In 2005, London police were granted the right to "shoot to kill" any "suspected suicide bomber" Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article590487.ece
"All Iraqis are to be treated as hostile until proven otherwise" and hence a shoot-to-kill policy is also in place in Iraq. Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...02.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/04/02/ixnewstop.html
Kenyan Police to have policies to "shoot-to-kill": "Kenyan police have been ordered to shoot to kill looters, arsonists, people carrying weapons or blocking roads, a commander told AFP Wednesday, in a bid to stem weeks of clashes sparked by disputed elections." Source: http://www.france24.com/france24Pub...tician-helicopter-opposition-Orange.php?q=rss
It's a policy that saves more civillians than does kill, and it seems to work rather effectively on terrorists around the world.
JaredR
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The United Kingdom, America and South Africa aren't "shit". I'll grant you that Kenya is and with relation to Iraq, those are orders given to US troops in Iraq so therefore it isn't really Iraqi law.
JaredR
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"All Iraqis are to be treated as hostile until proven otherwise" - You think the Iraqi police said that about themselves? That's US martial rule in Iraq.aMUSEd1977 said:
Hence it has to do with America.
TacoTerrorist
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Ahh... the Australian Army does. In fact, the Austeyr F88 (Basic rifle) was custom made to allow the use of a bayonet. My comment about the bayoneting of 6yos was not to be taken literally, but merely to show the extent of Israeli brutality.
They obviously aren't all recorded, as Israel likes to deny its atrocities.
What I really like about JaredR is the hypocrisy and double standards he (and pretty much every Israeli-supporter) has. His irreverant praise and defence of Israel leaves out, of course, the fact that Israel has killed many more civilians than Palestine. Numerous sources point out that Israel has killed up to 4 times as many civilians compared to any and all organisations in Palestine.
Of course he ignores this. For him to even try to justify the war crimes that the Terror State of Israel has committed he has to hide its own dark side under the rug.
JaredR, like every person who knowingly lies to themselves (and others), has developed a very biased style of reasoning. For example, he continually asserts that Israel has given up land to Palestine in some drastic bid for peace. Again, bullshit. Israel has only made vague efforts at peace in order to slow down mounting international outrage at it's actions.
You know what would save more civilians than kill? The annihilation of the contemporary Nazi State that is Israel. One man's terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. I fail to see how a Palestinian man whose home has been destroyed, his family killed in cold blood, his assets stolen and his lands taken could be called a terrorist for fighting back against the imperialism that is Israel.
I can't respond to all of JaredR's ridiculous cover-ups, lies, fallacies and hypocrisy. Hopefully most people on this board are capable of critical reasoning and can see through all the bullshit he posts.
A couple of fun facts (that JaredR doesn't want you to know about):
The Arabic word madrassah just means 'school'. Israel has given this word a negative connotation that tries to relate it to a fundamentalist terrorist training camp.
The Arabic word intifada means 'uprising'. JaredR gives this word negative connotations throughout his asinine posts. Obviously an intifada is an uprising against the oppressive Israeli regime and not some mindless killing spree.
Tell me JaredR, why does Palestine (and pretty much every Arab state) hate Israel so much and why is Israel globally condemned?
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black_kat_meow
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TacoTerrorist said:
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You appear to be just as biased and hypocritical as you believe he is, actually.TacoTerrorist said:
JaredR
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TacoTerrorist,
Your List
Why should Israel be responsible for keeping a list of those killed in their military operations? Lists of victims would be contributed by the families of the victims (just as was done for the Israeli children), and/or those (whom according to you - the world) support the Palestinian people so much.
Palestinian deaths per Israeli deaths
Your accusation: More Palestinians than Israelis have been killed whiich proves that Israel's response is worse than Palestinian terrorism.
Reality: Palestinians count suicide bombers themselves as victims and ignore the large number of foiled and prevented terrorist attacks against Israelis as well as the numerous injuries which could have resulted in death.
An attempted terrorist attack carries the same moral culpability as a successful one.
Contrary to Palestinian government bodies which spend more money in breaching borders with their Arab neighbours, tunnelling into Egypt in order to get weapons, transporting and purchasing weapons and explosives illegally, Israel has spent a large portion of funding to its medical response to terrorism.
The number of very serously injured Israelis with permanent disabilities or wounds is in the thousands. Many of these victims would have died if the Israeli medical response had not been so extraordinary.
Israel frequently treats wounded Palestinians in Israeli hospitals at Israeli expense.
The Palestinians also count innocent people caught in crossfire between Palestinian and Israeli fighters, even in situations where it cannot be known which side fired the fatal shot.
In Jenin, 2002, Palestinians initially claimed that Israel had "massacred" 3,000 civillians. They reduced the number to 500 and the UN secretary general ound it to be 52, many of whom were armed combatants.
The number of Israeli women and children killed and injured is well in excess of the number of Palestinian women and children killed and injured. With men included the number of INNOCENT Israel's killed and injured still exceeds the number of INNOCENT Palestinians.
Israeli concessions for Peace
I'll mention one of the many... the Oslo Accords in 1993. PM Ehud Barak offered the Palestinians a state with its capital in Jerusalem, control over the Temple Mount, a return of approximately 95% of the West Bank and all of the Gaza Strip [since done]. He also offfered a $30 billion compensation package for the 1948 'refugees'.
Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia, who was serving as an intermediary among the parties, urged Arafat to take the deal. Arafat rejected the deal and failed to make a counterproposal.
...more later!
Your List
Why should Israel be responsible for keeping a list of those killed in their military operations? Lists of victims would be contributed by the families of the victims (just as was done for the Israeli children), and/or those (whom according to you - the world) support the Palestinian people so much.
Palestinian deaths per Israeli deaths
Your accusation: More Palestinians than Israelis have been killed whiich proves that Israel's response is worse than Palestinian terrorism.
Reality: Palestinians count suicide bombers themselves as victims and ignore the large number of foiled and prevented terrorist attacks against Israelis as well as the numerous injuries which could have resulted in death.
An attempted terrorist attack carries the same moral culpability as a successful one.
Contrary to Palestinian government bodies which spend more money in breaching borders with their Arab neighbours, tunnelling into Egypt in order to get weapons, transporting and purchasing weapons and explosives illegally, Israel has spent a large portion of funding to its medical response to terrorism.
The number of very serously injured Israelis with permanent disabilities or wounds is in the thousands. Many of these victims would have died if the Israeli medical response had not been so extraordinary.
Israel frequently treats wounded Palestinians in Israeli hospitals at Israeli expense.
The Palestinians also count innocent people caught in crossfire between Palestinian and Israeli fighters, even in situations where it cannot be known which side fired the fatal shot.
In Jenin, 2002, Palestinians initially claimed that Israel had "massacred" 3,000 civillians. They reduced the number to 500 and the UN secretary general ound it to be 52, many of whom were armed combatants.
The number of Israeli women and children killed and injured is well in excess of the number of Palestinian women and children killed and injured. With men included the number of INNOCENT Israel's killed and injured still exceeds the number of INNOCENT Palestinians.
Israeli concessions for Peace
I'll mention one of the many... the Oslo Accords in 1993. PM Ehud Barak offered the Palestinians a state with its capital in Jerusalem, control over the Temple Mount, a return of approximately 95% of the West Bank and all of the Gaza Strip [since done]. He also offfered a $30 billion compensation package for the 1948 'refugees'.
Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia, who was serving as an intermediary among the parties, urged Arafat to take the deal. Arafat rejected the deal and failed to make a counterproposal.
...more later!
Aryanbeauty
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More like muslim terrorists and their supporters like you gave Madrassah a bad name, making it synonynous with terrorist training school. Guess what? Most suicide bombers and convicted terrorists are always a product of madrassah. I am not surprised Islamic republic of Pakistan expelled hundreds of thousands of arab students from their madrassah ha ha!TacoTerrorist said:
For arabs, uprising means bombing buses, schools, cafes etc.
Just like you arabs hate the west and christianity in general and just like the world condemned arab terrorism against Israel.
Happy Birthday Israel
Heartfelt Congratulations to Israel for obliterating 20+ arab terrorist yesterday. I wish them more success in killing more arab terrorists.
JaredR
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I stand with Sderot 60 years on.
Since the beginning of 2008, almost 700 rockets and 470 mortars have been fired from the Hamas-governed Gaza Strip into Israel.
Total rocket attacks:
Since the first rocket fell on Israel on 16 April 2001: 2,994
Since the Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip in August 2005: 2,411
Since the Hamas takeover of Gaza in mid-June 2007: 979
This year from 1 January to 31 March 2008: 694
Total Mortar bomb hits during the same period: more than 3000.
Sderot is an Israeli city within the internationally recognised borders of Israel. At the end of 2006, the city had a population of 19,800, its population in decline with estimates that up to 25% have fled the rocket-ravaged city. Many who remain cannot afford to move out, or are unable to sell their homes.
Since the beginning of 2008, almost 700 rockets and 470 mortars have been fired from the Hamas-governed Gaza Strip into Israel.
Total rocket attacks:
Since the first rocket fell on Israel on 16 April 2001: 2,994
Since the Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip in August 2005: 2,411
Since the Hamas takeover of Gaza in mid-June 2007: 979
This year from 1 January to 31 March 2008: 694
Total Mortar bomb hits during the same period: more than 3000.
I stand with Sderot.
TacoTerrorist
Member
[quote} More like muslim terrorists and their supporters like you gave Madrassah a bad name, making it synonynous with terrorist training school. [/quote]
I'm not a terrorist supporter. Being opposed to Israel's continued war crimes does not make me supportive of extremist terrorism. Obviously the media gave the word madrassah a bad name, as they are the ones who show us what supposedly happens there.
2) There are Arab Christians
3) Not only Arabs hate the West. Some Westerners also hate the West, as well as pretty much every non-Western country.
4) The world does condemn terrorism and that's why Israel is being condemned by the United Nations.
JaredR,
Some shitty Israeli town getting rocketed is nothing in comparison with the bullshit that Palestine has to cop from Israel.
Also, John McCain is a fucking right-wing fascist neo-nazi. To demonstrate this, I'll write what he said except biased towards Palestine:
“The young nation of Palestine has been challenged more in less time than any nation on earth…yet it continues to hold on even in the face of barberous Israeli brutalisation. There will always be an underdog, someone stuggling to withstand the theft, rape and murder of a foreign horrible state. The world cannot remain passive in the face of a sanctioned terrorist rocket/tank assault on <insert any area of Palestine here>. It is an outrage that the violence exacted on innocent men women and children has not received a global intervention.”
Two can play at that game.
I'm not a terrorist supporter. Being opposed to Israel's continued war crimes does not make me supportive of extremist terrorism. Obviously the media gave the word madrassah a bad name, as they are the ones who show us what supposedly happens there.
Yeah, because a madrassah is a school and most people go to school.
Find out what intifada means in Hebrew and I'll accuse the IDF of the same things. Except instead of a terrorist with a bomb it'll be an army with rockets.
1) I'm not an Arab.
2) There are Arab Christians
3) Not only Arabs hate the West. Some Westerners also hate the West, as well as pretty much every non-Western country.
4) The world does condemn terrorism and that's why Israel is being condemned by the United Nations.
JaredR,
Some shitty Israeli town getting rocketed is nothing in comparison with the bullshit that Palestine has to cop from Israel.
Also, John McCain is a fucking right-wing fascist neo-nazi. To demonstrate this, I'll write what he said except biased towards Palestine:
“The young nation of Palestine has been challenged more in less time than any nation on earth…yet it continues to hold on even in the face of barberous Israeli brutalisation. There will always be an underdog, someone stuggling to withstand the theft, rape and murder of a foreign horrible state. The world cannot remain passive in the face of a sanctioned terrorist rocket/tank assault on <insert any area of Palestine here>. It is an outrage that the violence exacted on innocent men women and children has not received a global intervention.”
Two can play at that game.
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Yeah, there are.TacoTerrorist said:
We know this because they're a constantly targeted and victimised minority who flee to the West and Israel for shelter from a bunch of Islamist tools following the words of the original tool.
Remember how the Muslims treated the Christians in Lebanon? There were the 'identiy card killings' where you were killed if your ID card listed your religion as Christian. There was the Damour massacre organised by Palestinian Yasser Arafat where thousands of Christian civilians were killed by the Islamic Arabs, babies were shot at close range, and the few remaining were forced to flee.
And who was the only country who stuck there neck out to save these people? Was it the Arab's from Syria, Iraq or Jordon? Of course not. Was it the Palestinians? Nope...they were too busy murdering the Christians with other Muslim Arabs.
It was Israel who helped the Lebanese Christians. They gave humanitarian aid to the people and training to help the South Lebanese Army fight for the Christians right to survive.
So if you are going to try and group Christian Arabs as the same shit as the Muslim Arabs who persecute others and their own people and imply that they prefer that constant persecution in the middle east to the freedom provided by Israel and the West you are an ignorant fuck.
(btw, most Christians in the middle east, majority of which are Maronite Lebanese Christians, consider themselves Phoenicians (descendants of Aramaic Canaanites) as opposed to Arabs.)
So thousands of rocket attacks against one city is apparently nothing?
Palestinians and Arabs in general are blood thirsty scum (Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah for example) and you sit there and bitch about people fighting for their own self determination. Israel has never tried to destroy Palestine, they fight to protect themselves - the Israeli's and Palestinian Arabs that have made Israel home. Those people who find shelter in a democratic nation free from religious and even sexual persecution. On the other hand we have Palestine and all the surrounding Arab nations who have declared war against Israel with intent of totally destroying it. Yet all you do is attack Israel.
I am not going to encourage any violence or killing on either side but what do the Palestinians expect? To try and destroy a nation and never feel the effects of retaliation?
The Palestinians are intolerant and now they're trying to take away the only real safe haven in the middle east.
Tell me TacoTerrorist, what would you prefer?
Israel fall to a bunch of pedophile following murderers?
Headline: Israel falls to Arabian Axis of Evil
1. 7 Million Jews massacred for being Jews
2. Homosexual population wiped out for being homosexual
3. Christians murdered for being Christian
4. Jews for Jesus killed for being both Jews and for Jesus
5. 1200 Yeshiva's closed down to make way for anti-west pro-Islamic terror training schools.
6. All universities shut down for contradicting Quranic scientific claims.
7. Democratic Parliament dissolved, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei takes charge. Reiterates previous statement that Israel was a "cancerous tumour" and established an Islamic State.
8. Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, Former Iranian president, appointed President, "Europe reolved a great problem - the Zionist problem...Hitler and the German Nazis saved Europe from the evil of Zionism". Adds to previous statement declaring himself as having saved the middle east from zionism. Again praises Hitler.
Or Israel remain a sovereign state in the middle east sheltering people of all backgrounds - all religious, ethnic and sexual persuasions.
Sorry if I was a bit heated up at the beginning but you have no clue. Visit Tel Aviv in Israel and compare it (and it's humanitarian record) to most other surrounding non-Israeli cities. Whether or not you agree with the formation of the State of Israel 60 years ago or not does not change the importance Israel holds to so many of its residents.
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JaredR
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An Israeli supporting Neo-Nazi... HA!
So you don't like what the republican candidate says? Let's take a look at what the Democrats have to say:
So you don't like what the republican candidate says? Let's take a look at what the Democrats have to say:
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