Getting the right answer, but then getting it wrong with further working (1 Viewer)

[~ ReNcH ~]

Something tells me I've asked this before:

Suppose you write a few lines of working and get the right answer unknowingly, but because you're unsure you continue working and end up with the wrong answer, are the markers instructed to stop marking and award the student full marks? Or are marks "deducted"?

 

[aim54x]

i think they will give some marks if not all. i will enquire n get back to u on that. it has to do with the lines that u wrote in the 1st place.

it might take a while b4 i get back to u though.

 

[Slidey]

I have a FEELING you get full marks, provided your first solution was correct and the correct answer wasn't an accident.

Don't quote me, though.

 

[~ ReNcH ~]

Thanks aim

I've heard that you get full marks as well...seeing as markers want to give you marks and not take them away, you would guess that was the case, but who knows

 

[aim54x]

slide rule sounds correct, i'll try to verify that with a marker.

milestone post: 350

 

[FinalFantasy]

Thanks aim

I've heard that you get full marks as well...seeing as markers want to give you marks and not take them away, you would guess that was the case, but who knows

dats cool if u get full marks, in a q. im unsure of i'll just do the q. several times with diff methods, hopefully one of dem would be right.. hahaha

 

[Slidey]

There is the matter of time...

 

[FinalFantasy]

there is indeed=P
but hopefully i can do it for a q. 7 on the ext. 1 paper..
keke

 

[ngai]

dats cool if u get full marks, in a q. im unsure of i'll just do the q. several times with diff methods, hopefully one of dem would be right.. hahaha

no, i dont think that works
if you provide two solutions, one right, one wrong, then i heard u get half the marks
however, doing questions in another method is good to check your answer...but only if u have such time to spare

 

[~ ReNcH ~]

dats cool if u get full marks, in a q. im unsure of i'll just do the q. several times with diff methods, hopefully one of dem would be right.. hahaha

Yea, as ngai said I don't think you would get full marks. Of course, eventually you could stumble across the answer...in that case, I think markers do know that you're trying to fudge it. That said, I still managed to get away with fudging 1 mark in Q7

 

[~ ReNcH ~]

Btw. ngai - going off on a slight tangent, what percentage of your time was spent doing Ext 2 work? Were you getting mid-high 90s in all of your assessments/trials etc? After doing a few topics, I'm wondering how I might get into the 90s/120 to get me a mid-Band 6...seems quite formidable atm.

 

[FinalFantasy]

wow, the legendary ngai is here! yea im interested in the amount of work u put in for ext. 2 as well!

 

[ngai]

Btw. ngai - going off on a slight tangent, what percentage of your time was spent doing Ext 2 work? Were you getting mid-high 90s in all of your assessments/trials etc? After doing a few topics, I'm wondering how I might get into the 90s/120 to get me a mid-Band 6...seems quite formidable atm.

hmm...percentage of my time...well normally it was probably around 60-70% of the time i spent doing work
but then near exams, its more like 30%...u see i spent quite a bit of time memorising english essays
assessments and trials?...umm, 57/59, 58.5/60, 56/60, 117/120
but of course it all depends on the difficulty of the exam, and the leniency of the markers..

 

[haboozin]

well in physics if you have the correct answer (and correct working out) but crap all around it u still get a mark.
note: if you just have the answer u get full marks, but if you have the right answer but NO right working out u get 0 marks.

We all know just having the answer in maths is a big NO! though..

one way of getting at least 1 mark in every physics Q when u have no idea is to quote every formula that u think can have ANY relevance,
u can quote the whole formula sheet and u are almost guranteed 1 mark.


its kinda silly, but thats how it is.

I think it is the same for maths.
if u have the correct answer and working somewere u got the mark...
the extra "crap" is disgarded.

 

[~ ReNcH ~]

hmm...percentage of my time...well normally it was probably around 60-70% of the time i spent doing work
but then near exams, its more like 30%...u see i spent quite a bit of time memorising english essays
assessments and trials?...umm, 57/59, 58.5/60, 56/60, 117/120
but of course it all depends on the difficulty of the exam, and the leniency of the markers..

Hmm...did you sit the CSSA trial paper?
When you get to Q7, 8 (or any hard parts for that matter), do you just stare at it until you eventually get the answer. Or is it a matter of exposing yourself to as wide a vairety of harder questions in the hope that they ask something you've seen before (or something similar)?

 

[Captain pi]

Suppose you write a few lines of working and get the right answer unknowingly, but because you're unsure you continue working and end up with the wrong answer, are the markers instructed to stop marking and award the student full marks? Or are marks "deducted"?

You would receive full marks for that question.

Marks are awarded for steps, not answers. If you have successfully and ingenuously (i.e. without fudging etc.) arrived at the correct answer, but then continued on to an incorrect answer, the marker will write 'ISE [Ignore Subsequent Error]' and award you full marks.

If you are sceptical, read the markers' comments:

Those who provide sufficient evidence that the appropriate step, or its
equivalent, has been completed are awarded the mark, which then cannot be
lost for a subsequent error.

Welcome back, Andrew (ngai). (My Trial marks pale in comparison to yours: I now fully accept responsibility for my marks.)

 

[Captain pi]

dats cool if u get full marks, in a q. im unsure of i'll just do the q. several times with diff methods, hopefully one of dem would be right.. hahaha

That is correct.

As long as you provide the correct steps in your working, all other incorrect methods are disregarded.
In this case, you have shown the markers that you are competent to deal with that question (you have just done superfluous working).

However, taking this approach puts you at a disadvantage as it wastes time.

For this reason, NEVER EVER [EDIT: absolutely] cross-out work or obliterate with correction fluid; even if you think it is incorrect, you may be awarded marks for steps you had taken. (And, yes, markers do look at crossed out working and even working done on the 'wrong' side of the page (non-ruled side).

 

[~ ReNcH ~]

That is correct.

As long as you provide the correct steps in your working, all other incorrect methods are disregarded.
In this case, you have shown the markers that you are competent to deal with that question (you have just done superfluous working).

However, taking this approach puts you at a disadvantage as it wastes time.

For this reason, NEVER EVER cross out work or obliterate with correction fluid; even if you think it is incorrect, you may be awarded marks for steps you had taken.

You can still be awarded marks for crossed out working...markers are meant to look at everything you write, not necessarily just your "final" answer, but correction fluid is definitely a no-no.

 

[~ ReNcH ~]

You would receive full marks for that question.

Marks are awarded for steps, not answers. If you have successfully and ingenuously (i.e. without fudging etc.) arrived at the correct answer, but then continued on to an incorrect answer, the marker will write 'ISE [Ignore Subsequent Error]' and award you full marks.

If you are sceptical, read the markers' comments:

Those who provide sufficient evidence that the appropriate step, or its
equivalent, has been completed are awarded the mark, which then cannot be
lost for a subsequent error.

Welcome back, Andrew (ngai). (My Trial marks pale in comparison to yours: I now fully accept responsibility for my marks.)

I should probably get hold of a copy of the markers' comments...has that been said in the markers' comments for every year or only one specific year - I should get a copy from BOS.

 

[ngai]

Hmm...did you sit the CSSA trial paper?
When you get to Q7, 8 (or any hard parts for that matter), do you just stare at it until you eventually get the answer. Or is it a matter of exposing yourself to as wide a vairety of harder questions in the hope that they ask something you've seen before (or something similar)?

nope, ruse makes their own trials, which dont really look much like the real thing (apart from the fact that its got 8 questions, each out of 15)
umm, q7 and 8...just staring at it wont work, but staring while writing things on scrap paper might
but still, its more the second thing u mentioned