Yeah totally....they're just both being raped....and according to the article she was fighting them off, so obviously it was still not consentual, even if she was drunk.Not-That-Bright said:As ghastly as this rape is (and it has been in the news somewhat) it's nothing compared with the Bilal Skaif rapes. There is a big difference between having sex with a drunk girl whom you are aware could not have given consent and planning/forcfully raping a girl, physically threatening/assaulting her while she protests.
CSI: CRIMES ™ said:The video says she tried to push them off and such. Pathetic bogan scums.
What part of Sydney are they from?
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/pack-rape-charges-teens-get-bail/2007/04/17/1176696823827.htmlSMH said:Pack rape charges: teens get bail
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Five teenagers, charged with raping a 17-year-old girl and allegedly filming it with a mobile phone, have been released on bail.
The five were arrested earlier this month over the incident that allegedly occurred in a house in Sydney's south-west on January 9 this year.
Today the Parramatta Children's Court released four, on conditions including a night-time curfew. One of them had already been granted bail.
The prosecution did not oppose the bail due to new information that reduced the strength of its case, ABC Radio reported.
The prosecution tendered documents, which allege that another video found on the same mobile phone showed the girl having what appeared to be consensual sex with one of the five before the alleged rape.
The court also heard the girl had given inconsistent evidence, according to the ABC.
The case was ajourned until next month.
On April 5, police prosecutor Melanie Fitzsimmons told a Parramatta Children's Court hearing for two of the boys, aged 17 and 18, that they had sexual intercourse with the victim while the others cheered and gave high fives.
She said the 17-year-old, from Green Valley, had played "an extremely active role" in the attack.
"The young person is actively involved and encouraged by the others," Ms Fitzsimmons said.
"The victim can be seen in the video trying to push this person away and trying to get up," she said.
yes sounds reasonable but in reality it just happens more to them. why?beentherdunthat said:JUST TO GET THIS STRAIGHT... Yes, I did say the chick was "slutty" but it still gives no reason for the guys to have raped her, and in the process to have taken a video of it (IMBECILES) I said that in one of my posts, and I also said the act cannot be justified... which it never will be.
Originally Posted by Serius
it was probably a bunch of muslims anyways. Those whities were framed i tells you.
You sad person, go get a life. Look at what we're talking about and look at what you're talking about. You're pathetic. I don't think the video could cover the fact that the guys were anglo honey. You can't just arrest someone based on a low probability. I mean what kind of an idiotic policeman would want to frame "whites" to cover up for muslims anyway? You sound like you came from the 19th Century btw.
quoted for truthNot-That-Bright said:As ghastly as this rape is (and it has been in the news somewhat) it's nothing compared with the Bilal Skaif rapes. There is a big difference between having sex with a drunk girl whom you are aware could not have given consent and planning/forcfully raping a girl, physically threatening/assaulting her while she protests.
You do realise what i said was sarcasm right? I mean almost everyone else in this thread picked it up, why didnt you?Bendent said:yes sounds reasonable but in reality it just happens more to them. why?
sorry wrong quote. meant for the other chick.Serius said:You do realise what i said was sarcasm right? I mean almost everyone else in this thread picked it up, why didnt you?
Yeah like 55Serius said:Hopefully everyone guilty will have to spend a few years in jail.
The slut's gotta say "yes" before anyone can fuck her. Geeze, I thought people were over this fucking stupid "she was asking for it" kind of mentality.Legham said:Oh well, the chick sounds slutty anyway..
Keep dreaming, they are not racist rapist like your fellow Bilal Skaf.lexie85 said:Yeah like 55
oh yeah sorry i forgot that your intimate friends with the rapistsYankeeChica said:Keep dreaming, they are not racist rapist like your fellow Bilal Skaf.
So because your girlfriend doesn't get drunk off that means that every girl in the entire world is not a lightweight. Also, there is only one example so far that you have of her going out and drinking. Generalising much?stazi said:first of all, she's obviously a party girl. she goes out with guys, and drinks with them. 4 drinks constitutes binging, but she would certainly remember the night after that amount of alcohol. hell, my girlfriend who rarely gets drunk drinks a shitload more than that and still remembers everything.
She did claim to not remember it. This is common with these kinds of assault where not only does alcohol impair them but their mind shuts it out to protect itself.secondly, she didn't report them, or didn't seem to express any concern over the night, apparently because she "didn't know" what happened. It seems like pressure from her community caused her to press charges.
Great, again because you know someone who would do it does not mean every 16 year old girl would.What is so crazy about a 'gang-bang'. I know people who have been in sex orgies. There are many sexually liberal people. I know most people posting in this thread wouldn't be them (I mean there was a girl in this thread who was surprised that the victim's mother let her out at night). I personally know a girl who gave head and handjobs to about 8 guys in the space of half an hour. She was the only girl at this gathering. She was also 16. She was also very willing, in fact she told me that she did it, quite proud of being able to make so many guys cum.
Did you read the original article? The grandfather of one of them said they filmed everything plus they do not sound like intelligent people. They could've thought it was no big deal and that they'd get away with it.Also, you have to ask why they filmed it. If this was truly carried out with the intention of raping someone, they wouldn't have. It was likely they thought that all participants were willing, and others took it as a bit of a joke (thus the farting, etc.)
Okay. Have you seen the video? If you have, then I think you can make that assessment. Generalising and manipulating facts gleaned from newspaper articles? Yeah, that really pulls your argument together well.I believe that it wasn't rape. However, there should be damages paid for recording the sex without all participants recording to the consent, as well as the distribution of that video.
better be a friend of them than racist rapist like Bilal skaf.lexie85 said:oh yeah sorry i forgot that your intimate friends with the rapists
4 drinks isn't that much for anyone. sure, you'd be drunk but you wouldn't be so drunk you wouldn't remember it.Tulipa said:So because your girlfriend doesn't get drunk off that means that every girl in the entire world is not a lightweight. Also, there is only one example so far that you have of her going out and drinking. Generalising much?
I didn't realise that she was 16. I thought she was over 18, as it said that she had finished school. And of course not every girl would. I'm not saying all girls are sluts, but there are some very sexually liberated girls.Great, again because you know someone who would do it does not mean every 16 year old girl would.
As I said, I only read what was written on the first few pages of this thread. It was more an argument against points that other people had suggested, particularly the 2008/2007 students.Okay. Have you seen the video? If you have, then I think you can make that assessment. Generalising and manipulating facts gleaned from newspaper articles? Yeah, that really pulls your argument together well.
You don't know that for a fact. She may have been on medication that made it worse or you know, she may just have been a major lightweirt.stazi said:4 drinks isn't that much for anyone. sure, you'd be drunk but you wouldn't be so drunk you wouldn't remember it.
Okay. Doesn't mean that this particular girl is one.I didn't realise that she was 16. I thought she was over 18, as it said that she had finished school. And of course not every girl would. I'm not saying all girls are sluts, but there are some very sexually liberated girls.
I'm just pointing out that you're completely generalising to get there.As I said, I only read what was written on the first few pages of this thread. It was more an argument against points that other people had suggested, particularly the 2008/2007 students.