English scaling. (1 Viewer)

[thommy]

How does English (both advanced and standard) generally scale?

 

[ccc123]

Generally?

English Advanced scales quite well, Engish Standard scales quite poorly.

Take at look at the 2007 and 2006 scaling reports:

http://www.uac.edu.au/pubs/pdf/2007_table_A3.pdf (2007)

http://www.uac.edu.au/pubs/pdf/scaling_report_2006-web.pdf (2006)

 

[me121]

How does English (both advanced and standard) generally scale?

They scale EXACTLY the same, despite the apparent differences in the reported data as shown in the links that ccc123 mentions.

I think in the same report (try 2006 one) in the FAQ, it answers and explains this.

The reason for the discrepancy is that it is the RAW marks that are scaled, and it is the aligned marks that are shown in the scaling reports. However you have to also consider that many more people get a band 5 or 6 in advanced than in standard. However, technically they scale EXACTLY the same.

 

[thommy]

They scale EXACTLY the same, despite the apparent differences in the reported data as shown in the links that ccc123 mentions.

I think in the same report (try 2006 one) in the FAQ, it answers and explains this.

That doesn't seem right though. Also, Advanced is harder than Standard.

 

[me121]

That doesn't seem right though. Also, Advanced is harder than Standard.

read my edited post above. oh and so what if its harder. scaling is not determine by how "hard" a course is.

 

[melanieeeee.]

That doesn't seem right though. Also, Advanced is harder than Standard.

40% of the course is the same...

 

[ccc123]

They scale EXACTLY the same, despite the apparent differences in the reported data as shown in the links that ccc123 mentions.

I think in the same report (try 2006 one) in the FAQ, it answers and explains this.

The reason for the discrepancy is that it is the RAW marks that are scaled, and it is the aligned marks that are shown in the scaling reports. However you have to also consider that many more people get a band 5 or 6 in advanced than in standard. However, technically they scale EXACTLY the same.

In a technical sense, yes, Advanced and Standard are scaled the same way.

But a standard student will only have a greater scaled mark than an advanced student if they had a greater raw mark. In 2u english, the raw mark is comprised of 40% from the AOS paper and 60% from the modules paper.

Hence, a standard student will only have a greater scaled mark than an advanced student if they had a greater raw mark. In 2u english, the raw mark is comprised of 40% from the AOS paper and 60% from the modules paper.

For the purposes of scaling, the distribution of marks on the standard modules paper are shaped to the distribution of marks of those standard students on the common paper. Similarly, the distribution of marks on the advanced modules paper are shaped to the distribution of marks of those advanced students on the common paper.

It is obvious that the advanced course, as a whole, attracts a higher calibre of students, and hence they receive better overall raw marks as a result.

So theoretically, a student will receive the same scaled mark in standard as in advanced. But in practise, they'd need to work harder in standard to get the high raw mark in the first place.


But Me121 is correct in saying technically, they scale the same. Its just taht teh end result is less favourable in Standard English.

 

[ccc123]

just as an advanced student will have a greater scaled mark than a standard student if they had a greater raw mark



thats basically what you said above. and also markers or whoever can't tell whether you are standard or advanced from the common paper.



ummm did i copy your thing twice or did you just say the same thing?



if your argument is that they recieve better raw marks because they attract a higher calibre, it is because of a higher calibre that they are able to get higher raw marks, but an individuals raw marks is what matters more... also i dont get how they have to work harder because of this...



ummmmm am i missing something, cause i dont see how they would have to work harder a high raw mark compared to advanced because it is up to the individual....




when someone refers to scaling they usually refer to the technical side as opposed to whether it is more favorable or not

although the advanced english does attract a higher calibre (probably because of the word 'advanced') what matters most is how the individual performs as opposed to how the cohort for that subject performs and if they technically scale the same, it may be more 'favorable' to do advance but it still scales the same!!! so why does it matter if its more favorable or not...

i dont even think favorable is the right word to use :/

btw not that i want to seem rude when i say this im just curious cause i dont really see your point

Sorry the thread was incoherent. I just looked over in myself and even I'm confused.


But apparently, Standard and Advanced English are scaled as a single course (or so I've read on UAC). Thus, it is more difficult for a standard student to obtain a higher raw mark in the first place, because they are being compared to students who are invariably more competent. For this reason, Standard students are statistically less likely to achieve band 5/6:

2006:
Advanced English
Band 6 (5.99%)
Band 5 (32.74%

Standard English
Band 6 (.02%)
Band 5 (3.24%)


2005:
Advanced English
Band 6 (7.95%)
Band 5 (37.84%)

Standard English
Band 6 (.01%)
Band 5 (2.36%)


2004:
Advanced English
Band 6 (7.56%)
Band 5 (42.53%)

Standard English
Band 6 -
Band 5 (1.97%)

Source: Board of Studies.


The average aligned marks for each subject can also be found here:

http://www.boredofstudies.org/scaledmeans.php

From these stats, I'm inclined to think a Standard student must work harder to achieve a raw mark that will translate to band 5/6. But I agree that the work of the individual should outweigh these statistical disadvantages.

 

[munchiecrunchie]

this lady from the board of studies came to our school and told us that standard english scales better than advanced.

then again, she also told us that no one can drag your marks down, and that there are no set no. of band 6's given out.

i dont really trust her.

 

[me121]

this lady from the board of studies came to our school and told us that standard english scales better than advanced.

then again, she also told us that no one can drag your marks down, and that there are no set no. of band 6's given out.

i dont really trust her.

hahahaha... i wouldn't either..

 

[ccc123]

this lady from the board of studies came to our school and told us that standard english scales better than advanced.

Really? Thats interesting. Did she give anything to back up what she was saying?

 

[munchiecrunchie]

can't remember her reasons but i do remember they didn't make sense in my head.

 

[me121]

its extreamly hard to get a 90 in std english. only a handfull of students, if any get it.

 

[lyounamu]

its extreamly hard to get a 90 in std english. only a handfull of students, if any get it.

the number getting band 6 increased dramatically in the last 4 years. Last year, 21 or 22 got band 6. Big jump from 6-7 people in 2006. I am expecting a jump this year as well.

 

[nottellingu]

LOL the lowest mark in adv english at my school last year was 68%. If u dont get over 70 in advanced u have to blame yourself. Now imagine if the kid dig standard he wouldve got lik 50 something in my opinion considering that he told me he didnt read any of the texts for the modules

 

[nottellingu]

And those subjects u put on sam above are fucked.

It is NOT POSSIBLE to do standard english AND extension english ! :uhhuh:

 

[lyounamu]

And those subjects u put on sam above are fucked.

It is NOT POSSIBLE to so standard english AND extension english ! :uhhuh:

True... There is a mistake there

 

[lyounamu]

i can give you a real life example... my cousin and i did the HSC both last year... he beat me by 1-4 point for the HSC in each and every subject, on top of that his subjects were known to be higher scaling compared to mine... he did advanced english... i did standard english... yet he only beat me by 0.55!!!! his mark for english was 3 points higher than mine ... i was so suprised how that happened...



and even a person that works for BOS says that. ok i get she could have given the wrong information out but its not as if she would lie on purpose...

You did Standard? You must have got high marks in other subjects to get you high UAI, then! (assuming from your uni course) Congrats on your work.

By the way, 0.55 difference is quite huge in terms of aggregate. 0.55 counts for 20-30 marks (varies according to UAI. 20 marks difference in 99+ group, 20-25 in 97 - 99 UAI group).

 

[foram]

You did Standard? You must have got high marks in other subjects to get you high UAI, then! (assuming from your uni course) Congrats on your work.

By the way, 0.55 difference is quite huge in terms of aggregate. 0.55 counts for 20-30 marks (varies according to UAI. 20 marks difference in 99+ group, 20-25 in 97 - 99 UAI group).

yea.

455/500 = approx 99.5
445/500 = approx 99
400/500 = approx 95
370/500 = approx 90
345/500 = approx 95

If you're loosing 20 marks, you're killing your UAI.

 

[lyounamu]

hypothetically, what makes you think that the UAI that I got was a result of my other subjects and not so much English?!?

yeah but isnt so much help for getting into the uni course that you want to (i understand it can make the difference but its not going to help that much when you need is even 1 point higher). i think people are starting to lose sight of purpose of a having UAI. the purpose of a UAI is to rank you against others in order to see whether or not you get into the uni course that you want. if you don't get into the course because it is 5 points higher or whatever the difference of 0.55 isn't going to help you much at all :/

I know from the fact that band 5 in English scales from 80s to 70s or even to high 60s. Check SAM if you want.

You are right in what you said. However, I was just arguing that 0.55 is a huge difference in terms of RANK. There are around 20-30 people in an increment of 0.05. That means that in 0.55, the difference in rank is like 220 or 330.

By the way, even 0.05 is important. If your UAI is below 0.05 the UAI cut-off, there is possibility (quite likely) that you won't get into that particular course as UAI cut-off is pre-determined. And if you are sensible person, you would not aim for course that has got 5 marks higher than what you are really capable of, would you??? (at least I wouldn't). If you are going to argue about my UAI aim in the next post, I DO believe that I can get UAI above 99 if I work at the rate I am doing right now.