Employment outcomes of Arts grads (1 Viewer)

[bwendan]

Compiled from: http://www.graduatecareers.com.au/content/download/3869/16197/file/GradStats 2008.pdf


Financial crisis brings good times to an end - National - smh.com.au
Graduate Careers Australia executive director Cindy Tilbrook said while the pain might be eased by vacancies due to an ageing workforce and an continuing skills shortage in areas such as health and engineering, those with a "less defined" career path from humanities or generalist degrees were more likely to struggle to find work.
"They are the ones who feel it even in good times because their outcomes are not as good as those in skill-shortage areas," she said.

Andrew Norton � Blog Archive � Over-qualified workers
26.3% of graduates were working in jobs that the ABS occupational classifications system says require vocational or no post-secondary education rather than higher education. That’s only .2% lower than last year. Work I have done on data from the 2006 census suggests that it is the generalist degrees, and particularly arts (with the exception of those with degrees in ‘philosophy and religious studies’), that drag down the average. About 40% of other Arts graduates are in jobs that don’t require higher education.

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One of the first analyses to consider the economic benefits of higher education subjects found that men in possession of an undergraduate degree achieved an earnings premium of approximately 15% over individuals in possession of A-levels.The corresponding estimate for women was 19%.
However, men in possession of mathematics degrees achieved a 25.7% earnings premium over those with A-levels as their highest qualification, while corresponding women achieved a 38.6% earnings premium. In contrast,the premium for men in possession of undergraduate degrees in the arts was 4% less relative to those individuals with A-levels,whilst women achieved a 17% premium. Irrespective of the subject of study,the financial benefit of completing a degree is much greater for women than for men, but this may be due to the relatively low earnings of non-graduate women.

Policy Winter (Jun-Aug) 2000
… a survey by ACNielsen found that employers thought their Arts graduates had below average literacy skills. …
Since the mid-1970s Arts graduates have in each decade been experiencing a more difficult transition from study to work, to the point where more than 30% are still looking for full-time work four months after graduating. While their labour market position improves substantially over time, they never come close to matching their peers in some other degrees. People with degrees in what the Australian Bureau of Statistics calls ‘society and culture’ have unemployment rates about 50% above those of graduates generally. Wages too remain well below average, probably partly because some graduates are working in jobs for which degrees are not required.

 

[H@wkeye!]

Think a degree in Economics and one in Arts, makes me too qualified to become a swimming teacher?

 

[kevinx2]

Andrew Norton � Blog Archive � Over-qualified workers
26.3% of graduates were working in jobs that the ABS occupational classifications system says require vocational or no post-secondary education rather than higher education. That’s only .2% lower than last year. Work I have done on data from the 2006 census suggests that it is the generalist degrees, and particularly arts (with the exception of those with degrees in ‘philosophy and religious studies’), that drag down the average. About 40% of other Arts graduates are in jobs that don’t require higher education.

Why philosophy and religious studies?

 

[jb_nc]

Why philosophy and religious studies?

Idk.

Phil rules.

Religious studies maybe because you can get a job in a teacher (catholic school) which dont need you to have a DipTech

Joel - Unfortunately I would have to pay the ABS for more detailed information to fully answer this question, but I can say that the reason ‘philosophy and religious studies’ does well is that a very high proportion (more than 60% of all those with jobs classified as ‘professional’) hold jobs described as ’social and welfare profesional’, of which a minister of religion is a sub-category.

 

[AsyLum]

Shock horror, generalist degree doesn't translate into a definable job position, whereas specific degrees do.

More news at 6!

 

[bwendan]

Shock horror, generalist degree doesn't translate into a definable job position, whereas specific degrees do.

More news at 6!

correction:

generalist degree doesn't translate into a job position

 

[AsyLum]

correction:

generalist degree doesn't translate into a job position

Table 2 shows a breakdown of bachelor degree graduates available for full-time employment by field of education. Labour market factors that are peculiar to some fields of education can affect the proportions in and seeking employment, especially in a survey such as this, which takes place around four months
after the completion of degree requirements. For example, medical graduates, of whom 97.6 per cent were in full-time employment, always have high proportions in this category due to the requirement that they serve an internship in a public hospital for a period after graduation.

Similarly, pharmacy graduates (97.9 per cent in full-time employment) are required to undertake a 12 month period of supervised employment as pharmacists in order to gain professional registration.

Other fields with high proportions in full-time employment at the time of the survey were mining engineering (100.0 per cent), civil engineering (97.3 per cent),
initial nursing education (96.7 per cent) and post-initial nursing education (96.1 per cent). Respondents in visual and performing arts, life sciences, and humanities were the most likely to have been seeking full-time employment at the
time of the AGS. The graduates of some fields of education can sometimes take longer to find full-time employment than those from other fields and this is reflected in the employment figures reported by GCA.

Additionally, not all employment reported by graduates will necessarily be in the area in which the graduate trained. For the graduates of some fields such as the visual and performing arts, employment opportunities in the occupations for which they trained can be limited and it might be the case that some prefer to work on a part-time basis or not at all while seeking relevant employment.

While the national graduate employment figure rose by 0.7 of a percentage point
(from 84.5 per cent to 85.2 per cent) between 2007 and 2008, some fields of
education experienced notable improvements, including mathematics (up
by 4.7 percentage points), geology (up by 4.4 percentage points) and chemical
engineering (also up by 4.4 percentage points)5. Indicating a degree of volatility,
the employment figure for mathematics graduates fell by 4.9 percentage points in 2007 after a notable rise between 2005 and 2006.

The percentage of respondents in full-time employment at the time of the AGS fell in some fields between 2007 and 2008. The employment figure for ‘education (post/other)’ graduates fell most notably but this is based on a small number of responses and should be treated with caution. The other falls were generally
slight, with the employment figure for chemistry graduates falling by 3.4 percentage points, for aeronautical engineering graduates by 2.6 percentage points and for veterinary science, architecture and dentistry graduates by just over two percentage points.

Respondents from visual and performing arts (22.6 per cent) were the most likely to have been working on a part-time or casual basis while seeking full-time employment. Those from physical sciences (12.4 per cent) and visual and
performing arts (10.5 per cent) were the most likely to have been without any work while seeking full-time employment.

As discussed previously, many graduates already had their full-time employment early in their final year of study. Respondents from the small ‘education (post/other)’ field (35.5 per cent), ‘law, other’6 (26.6 per cent), computer science (23.9 per cent), building (23.2 per cent) and accounting (23.1 per cent) were the most likely to have been in full-time employment in their final year of study and
still with that employer at the time of the survey.

Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) figures for May 20077 show that, in the population as a whole (aged 15-64), 2.0 per cent of bachelor degree graduates were unemployed (down from 2.4 per cent in 2006 and 2.8 per cent in 2005).
The comparative figure for the total population (with or without non-school qualifications) was 4.3 per cent and 6.5 per cent for persons with no postsecondary qualifications. AGS employment figures differ from ABS figures in that the AGS separates those in part-time employment from those in full-time employment while the ABS includes those with any work at all in the ‘employed’ category. However, these figures do indicate that the longer-term prospects for
those with higher education qualifications remain solid.

It's great to actually read some of the qualitative findings they put into these surveys, as a failsafe to idiots like yourself who'd rather sprout useless garbage.

 

[bwendan]

It's great to actually read some of the qualitative findings they put into these surveys, as a failsafe to idiots like yourself who'd rather sprout useless garbage.

Quite obviously i was exaggerating, but it is still the case that Arts grads suffer higher unemployment than others.

 

[AsyLum]

Quite obviously i was exaggerating, but it is still the case that Arts grads suffer higher unemployment than others.

Which goes back to my point, you seem to be somewhat surprised, even astounded, or perhaps just trying to reassure yourself, of what seems to be fairly common knowledge.

 

[bwendan]

Which goes back to my point, you seem to be somewhat surprised, even astounded, or perhaps just trying to reassure yourself, of what seems to be fairly common knowledge.

Seriously, if you have nothing to add to the topic, don't bother posting at all.

 

[AsyLum]

Seriously, if you have nothing to add to the topic, don't bother posting at all.

Exactly my point, you've posted crap that we all know, or is general knowledge, so I'm wondering what the point of posting such a thing is other than to antagonise or provoke?

You've posted nothing to further the discussion so perhaps we should just delete them, hmm yes!

 

[KFunk]

Why philosophy and religious studies?

I'd be interested to know too.

<3 Philosophy